[D.j. Monopoli]

It’s very unlikely anyone would hear a difference and I won’t argue that, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to say that “there is no basis of fact” in a statement saying a 44.1k transmission is (technically) better than a 48k transmission, when 48k is in fact transmitting more samples per second. I mean I guess it really depends on what you’re referring to when you say “better” but I was clearly referring to the technical aspect. I guess you can argue having more samples per second doesn’t make something better, but then you’re bringing opinion into it when my statement was clearly based off of factual technical specifications, not personal opinions.

-DJ Monopoli
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[D.j. Monopoli]

Just read your piece on Countryman B2D and watched the video. I thought you looked familiar in your icon! I’ve actually seen some of your videos looking up reviews of these lavs and wireless systems the past few days haha. Anyway, it was very informative and you did some interesting tests there. Thanks for that!

-DJ

-DJ Monopoli
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[D.j. Monopoli]

That’s good to know about the size of the unit. Doesn’t look to bad in the pictures but I guess the pictures can be deceiving.

Have you ever had more than one person with an omni mic close to each other and tried to compress and bring them up in post? I get the feeling that would introduce some sort of issues, possibly phasing or something? I would think it might even cause issues without compression and bringing the signal up. I obviously have little experience with lavs but it seems like there might be an issue there.

Thanks!

-DJ Monopoli
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[D.j. Monopoli]

Yeah, you might be confusing this with a UHF system. The 2.4 GHz wireless systems are relatively newer technology and use a digital transmission which is 44.1Khz for the Rodelink and 48Khz for the AT System 10. The digital signal obviously converted to analog for output from the receiver so there isn’t technically any issues and you can record at any sample rate you want, but regardless the signal is (technically) better on the System 10 since it is a true 48Khz transmission.

-DJ Monopoli
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[D.j. Monopoli]

In your experience with the 185 do you run into problems with orientation of the lav as Richard said and/or do you think it would be a problem in my particular case? It makes total sense, but I feel like the noise rejection of using a cardioid mic will give me extra headroom to really process each signal in post and I get the feeling having 4 omni mics so close to each other may introduce problems as well. What do you think?

Yeah there’s surprisingly not a lot out there about their 2.4Ghz wireless system. I know that Shure makes great wireless stuff so they must not have pushed it much.

Thanks again for the response!

-DJ Monopoli
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[D.j. Monopoli]

As far as the 44.1 vs 48 thing goes, it’s not that having 48Khz is a huge selling point to me, but it’s a plus to me regardless of how pointless it is. If someone were to say “The Rodelink system does the best with reducing interference and comes with the best sounding stock mic hands down” I would get it for sure. I realize I most definitely could never tell the difference between the sample rates, It just feels like cutting corners to me no matter how small the difference may be. Considering I will likely be processing these quite a bit at 48Khz to bring them up in the mix and may need to switch back and forth to the backup shotgun mic (which will be true 48Khz) in cases where the lav audio isn’t quite usable for whatever reason, it would just make me feel better that all of the files I’m working with are on par sample rate wise. My main thing is music production and little pointless things like this tend to bug me for some reason. At the end of the day it’s not a big deal and in my work I admittedly make a lot of irrational decisions based on concepts that simply make me feel as though I’m cutting less corners haha.

That makes sense that minute movements could affect the signal of the cardioid, I was wondering if that would be an issue. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but I was thinking it might be a good idea to go cardioid since I would assume it’s easier to compress and bring up the signal in post than if I were using an omni-direcitonal lav. I would think there would be a lot of cross talk if I had 4 omni-directional mics recording at once so close to each other and it may end up sounding garbled especially if I wanted to put processing on each signal separately. What do you think?

Thanks again, you’re making some good points!

-DJ Monopoli
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[D.j. Monopoli]

Looking into it a bit more I discovered the Shure PGXD Digital Series Wireless Microphone System. Anyone have experience with this wireless system? It comes with a Shure WL185 Cardioid Lavalier Microphone which sounds very good in the tests I’ve heard.

-DJ Monopoli
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[D.j. Monopoli]

Thanks Ty!
The high activity won’t necessarily be as crazy as what is on the channel now, and when there is something that will be high activity we will definitely have to switch to shotgun mics. We currently are using the shotgun mic capsule for the Zoom H6 and I own a Rode shotgun mic which performs similarly. The only thing is, given how wide our shot is and how small our area is, it’s nearly impossible to get the shotgun close enough to have decent audio without it being in the shot. Also, considering there’s 4 people spread out throughout the shot sometimes talking at the same time, using a shotgun mic tends to seriously favor the person it’s aiming at while the others sound much quieter and I would like everyone to have equal volumes that I can control in post. The room will eventually be treated better, but not for a while and it won’t all be shot inside a studio environment. These are the main reasons that I decided to look into wireless lav systems.

I’ll have to keep the transmitter size in mind though! Didn’t think too much about the mounting of that so thanks for pointing that out.

Thanks!
-DJ

-DJ Monopoli
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[D.j. Monopoli]

Thanks for the useful info Richard!
I understand there would be no actual issues with sample rate and the sample rate differences are most definitely not audible, but it’s definitely an advantage of the AT System 10 for someone who exports all of their videos in 48khz no matter how you look at it. I figure since I’m buying 4 systems I don’t want to cut any corners when I finally make the choice, and if I can record true 48Khz signal with one but everything else about the 2 systems is about the same, then why not choose the one with 48Khz? I’m also well aware that the quality of the microphone is more important than the sample rate that the wireless system supports, I was simply pointing out the differences that I noticed in the systems minor or not.

I’m also fully aware that YouTube reviews are misleading, but that’s why I try to find multiple videos of the same product. The way I see it, I can read specs all day but that means nothing when I’m looking for a specific sound and the only way to gauge any sort of opinion short of using it myself is to hear tests. I feel like my concern is justified when multiple review videos have similar characteristics from what looks to be people who know their stuff. Obviously I took the reviews with a grain of salt otherwise I wouldn’t be asking for opinions of others who have experience with these systems.

From what I see the Audio-Technica system has been around since early 2013. I’m not saying that’s a problem, just figured I would point it out since it is digital so I figured there may be some minor advancements in this type of wireless tech since then.

Obviously replacing the mic that it comes with would be ideal, but considering I’m buying 4 of these things and they all come with a lav mic I figured the cost effective approach would be to use the mics that come with the system at least temporarily. I was hoping to get some opinions on how the mics compare sound quality wise that come with each system so it could maybe make my choice a little easier. For instance, if someone confirmed my suspicions that the Rode mic was a bit tinny and distorted then I would go for the Audio-Technica System 10 package in a heartbeat.

As far as the XLR “issues” thing. I read in a few reviews that the XLR adapter that they offer separately for the Rodelink system introduces a hiss or noise of some sort, so I was thinking the same might apply for the Audio-Technica system.

I’ll definitely have to keep that microwave oven thing in mind, had no idea!

Yep, the main reason I’m going with 2.4Ghz is not having to deal with local laws and such. I’ve talked to a guy that swears by UHF wireless and seems to be a little weird about 2.4Ghz wireless systems because of issues with interference when you’re near a router. Not sure if I trust the guy fully, was hoping someone would elaborate their experience with this.

I agree that there are situations where the transmitter could definitely be dangerous and not ideal, I was planning to use these on a situation basis and switch to using my shotgun mic in some cases. My question was more along the lines of wondering if someone who is moving around a lot with the mic clipped to them would introduce rubbing sounds into the mic that would render the audio useless. If so, are there any workarounds to keeping the sound to a minimum or is it simply a bad a idea all around?

Thanks again for your quick response, I really appreciate it!
-DJ

-DJ Monopoli
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