Denver Riddle
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Thanks for the link!
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Yes unfortunately, more than the plasma itself but you get 10bit RGB 4:4:4 monitoring and resolution support up to 2K. Comparable systems with those specs start at $10,000 and go up. I’d probably try the HDLink first before the Davio. At the start of this thread I was leaning toward doing 10bit HDMI monitoring but now I’m thinking the dual link HD-SDI may in fact be the way to go.
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I’d be interested in seeing which tests you’re referring to. Without any conclusive test results it’s hard to compare these though they have very similar specs:
The distinction I think you’re missing that separates the pro panny’s from the consumers are the emply card slots, they allow you insert all kinds of terminal boards, from component, hdmi/dvi, HD-SDI to dual link HD-SDI. So if you want 10bit monitoring you’re not going to be able to do that unless the HDMI allows it and previous poster mentioned that davinci doesn’t do 10bit RGB over HDMI.
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It’s just for the final tweaking for color accuracy as on board controls aren’t sufficient. Taken from blog link posted earlier:
Wanted better; got a Cine-tal Davio using a 3D LUT to correct residual color and gamma errors (as seen in the demo room). After calibration, color accuracy was comparable to reference-grade CRT. Best of all: a very cost-effective solution.
Most color critical panny plasmas are driven in this way VTP corp packages the davio in this way with various panasonic plasma models https://www.myvtp.com/cinetal.aspx though the HDLink is significantly cheaper than the Davio.
One thing I think that hasn’t been mentioned, in order to do 10bit with a Panny Plasma you do need either an HD-SDI or dual link HD-SDI terminal board.
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Yes as far as I understand if you are going film out then it is absolute essential that you’ll need a 3D LUT, otherwise you’re correct in the case of REC 709. It is advisable though to have either the Davio or HDLink fed to a Panny Plasma to ensure the best calibration and if you are ever going to a film out you’ll be able to feed it the required LUT.
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good to know! thanks!
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That’s a good question, Pete Putman of https://www.hdtvexpert.com/ whose methods were featured in the blogpost I mentioned above has a really good white paper on setting up a Panasonic Plasma as a reference monitor. I just emailed him (email address found on website) and he promptly sent me the white paper.
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The pro plasmas haven’t developed at the same rate as the consumer models and their performance doesn’t justify the extra cash. Why get one when there’s better options?
Uh, I’m to sure about that, this new twenty series mentioned in the first post is all the craze in post houses wanting to do 3D, Panasonic is on the forefront of developing 3D, so I don’t think that’s fair to say they aren’t developing the professional series as quickly as the consumer series. To me what would be interesting is how people would respond if Panasonic started marking their professional pannys at $10,000 & $20,000. Would they take it more seriously? And the most interesting thing to me is in expensive grading suites in post houses are currently using plasmas (Panasonics specifically) as the CRT replacement, yet prosumers don’t think they’re getting a good monitor unless they’re dropping a lot of $$$ on it. To me the plasma outshines (literally) any LCD display LED backlit or not because it’s capable of producing greater dynamic range because it’s a brighter display and stays truer to blacks.
Plasmas are affordable now because their initial high sticker price to offset research and development and manufacturing methods have been recouped and the whole process has been streamlined. The first consumer plasma in 1997 was like $15,000. I think price performance for all reference monitors will come down in the coming years, every electronic does. That’s why I think Panasonic plasma is a great value! Plasma has been around a lot longer than 10bit LED backlit displays, of course it’s not going to cost as much.
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To quote Jeff Kilgroe a moderator over at Reduser he had this to say with regards to disputing Panny plasmas as being 10 bit not 8 bit displays:
Panasonic PDP panels haven’t been 8bit since about the 5th generation panels over 4 years ago. And even then, plasma is an analog display technology, so bit restrictions on the display itself are entirely limited to internal processing. With plasma, what matters is the contrast ratio and subfield response time. Current gen plasma panels from most manufacturers have subfield response times of at least 400Hz. Panny 12th gen panels use a 600Hz subfield cycle. They could technically be capable of 12bits of measurable range, however they only accept a 10bit signal as their top input option.
link: https://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=568439
Also here’s a great blog article I just stumbled upon about setting up a Panny Plasma for monitoring:
After attending ICA’s International Colorist Academy this past May it was suggested that monitoring with a single plasma monitor and ditching the reference/client monitor approach in favor of a single monitor that will bypass matching/calibration headaches of the reference/client monitor in favor of single monitor just like you’d have in a color grading theater with only one medium for reference may be the way to go and gain more popular acceptance for client sessions. It’s physically impossible to match two monitors perfectly therefore you and client may see something different as you’re looking at separate monitors.
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Illya thank you kindly for your response. When you say 3D color management are you referring to feeding it 3D LUT’s? If so either the Davio or BlackMagic’s HDLink allow you to feed 3D LUTS. Though perhaps not on this forum the Panny Plasma’s are quickly becoming the benchmark standard as the Sony BVM CRT’s used to be. Thank you again for the information 🙂