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[Andrew Kimery] “Yeah, I keep forgetting that SG was added so long ago. I really didn’t start paying attention to it until they implemented Direct Link.”
The round trip workflow between Premiere and Speedgrade had quirks but was really a nice way to work. Press a button and your sequence appears in Speedgrade with all its full-feature grading tools at your disposal. Finish grading, save and your sequence appears in Premiere with your grading effects implemented as Lumetri color FX. Everything, including key-framed masks comes over. Super convenient, especially if you need to re-tweak your sequence. The Lumetri panel is good but it’s got a long way to go before it does everything Speedgrade could. Of course, with Resolve’s NLE getting better with every release, it may be that Resolve winds up being the best of both worlds.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “The uniquely useful property of timelines as against other types of container is that they allow you to manipulate your assets in time and in context.
I think that some people only ever see the timeline as a place for putting together their final edit, but once you recognise it’s just another container like any other, you can start to free up the way you work.”
Well said, Simon. They’re great as scratchpads for organizing, roughing things out, experimenting, and a ton of other things!
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[Mark Smith] “I can see the value of throwing an interview in a time line seeing and hearing it all in context, breaing it down, cutting away the fat, the tangents etc and using that practice as a way to develop a sense of context of the whole interview.”
I find this is a great way to work when I don’t have time to log. It’s especially effective with pancake timelines.
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[Oliver Peters] “I don’t believe that Simon would agree with you based on his arguments. I too feel that stringouts are faster. I would add that X’s magnetic timeline actually plays well using stringouts.”
Agreed. I think this is because timeline string outs have an added benefit of spatial information that isn’t available in the browser. I still wish FCPX would allow multiple primaries.
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[Bill Davis] “THAT is the change. The video quality and ” look” he can achieve (even without “finishing” TOTALLY BLOWS AWAY was I was able to achieve in terms of image quality for the entire first 20 YEARS of my career…”
[Oliver Peters] “I’m not sure I see that. I don’t mean to take away from him. Ultimately it’s an issue of talent and he is clearly talented. But I still don’t see the comparison you are trying to draw. It’s essentially the same as saying you don’t need a small army of a crew to get good content. Well, that’s really a big “maybe”. Most productions, even corporate videos for the web, do take a lot of production effort and expertise, more so than most one-man-bands can offer.”
Yep. and today millions of people carry a 4K video camera in their pockets they can also make phone calls with. Tools always improve, better quality is always becoming more accessible, but talent always wins the day. Filmmaking is a team sport and for big shows, I don’t see that ever changing, no matter how much the tools evolve.
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[Bill Davis] “But it’s also true that “finishing” is changing. And worse, becoming less and less relevant in the modern era.”
Have to disagree. Finishing is changing, but it’s certainly not becoming less relevant, and won’t long as people continue to pay to see movies in a theater. Try grading a stereoscopic DCP for stereo projection on your laptop and you’ll quickly see what I mean. ???? That’s just one example.
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[Tony West] “When I’m showing the tools of X to people for the first time they will often say, “Well…….I do like thaaaat part” : )”
That’s true even for me! 😉
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[Bill Davis] “curious as to why if Pancaking is such a big efficiency driver – and it appears to have been available for such a long in other NLEs (as this thread implies) – I never heard about anyone using it much until months and months after X was released?
Anyone want to speculate?”
The technique’s been around for a while, But Vashi gave it the name and made it a meme in 2013:
https://vashivisuals.com/adobe-cs6-5-editing-tips-for-music-videos/ (see tip#3)
https://vashivisuals.com/the-pancake-timeline-maximum-limit-is-24-hours/
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Actually, the same kind of pancaking was entirely possible in FCP Legacy too.”
Absolutely, also in Avid, but Premiere’s customizable doing panels makes it so much easier to actually do.
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[Bill Davis] “On deadline today but will try to do some screen caps overnight if my schedule eases up later.”
Great, thanks!
[Bill Davis] “set in thumbnail (not database) view and set up in a near full screen width layout presents the same information in nearly the same visual array that stringouts and pancakes manage in a traditional NLE, at least as I understand them. (granted, I’ve never had to peraonally pancake anything since I switched to X before that editing style became fashionable.) “
I think we’re still talking about two totally different approaches. It’s not even a matter of “old” vs “new”. Sure, FCPX’s database-driven approach is new, but even though string-out sequences have been around for awhile, Vashi’s “pancake” method is driven by the unique flexibility of the Pr Pro panel UI.
[Bill Davis] “Might be fun to have someone post a “traditional pancake” arrangement in a non-magnetic timeline – and then I can try to do the functional equivalent in X. Than we we can all compare the differences? Just a suggestion.”
I like it!
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