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[Craig Seeman] “BTW if you’ve seen the rumors about Gannett buying thousands of iPhones and iPads for journalists, might give you an indicator as to where some “Pro” markets are heading.””

[Chris Harlan] “Huh?”

Read this. Interesting if true.

https://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/12/22/leak_shows_gannett_stockpiling_thousands_of_iphones_ipads_for_journalists.html

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[Herb Sevush] “$2500. Today. Possibly more, but I’d have to believe in it’s viability.”

Yep, me too.

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Happy Holidays Steve and Everyone! Wishing you all the best in the new year!

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[Mark Dobson] “I wouldn’t change the name right now. It’s a great forum, why dissipate its focus.

Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate has still got wheels and will rejuvenate itself with the release of the first major update to FCPX due imminently.

This is the moment that many people who have switched from FCP7 will reconsider their options and many people who have embraced FCPX will see whether enough fundamental changes have taken place to keep them on board.”

Yep, I agree for all those reasons. My understanding is that this forum generates a high amount of traffic probably due in large part to the name and focus on FCPX. I don’t see any benefits to changing the name now.

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[Jeremy Garchow] “Sorry, I’m beginning to lose you. It’s my fault.

We have a transcription service.

The method I am proposing is theoretical. You are also mixing the two different projects I talked about today, one interview based, and one scene/take based.”

Not your fault, I was combining ideas from a couple examples as a shortcut to get at what I see as the core issue that this thread has raised. Apologies for the confusion.

I think it boils down to the question of how much of the editorial process can be automated vs how much will always require human judgement. I agree that flexible metadata in an NLE is a good thing. What I’m highly skeptical about is the notion that it cuts the post-production timeframe in half or more, as claimed in the Hodgetts article. I’m with Walter in wanting to see the proof.

I’m also skeptical of metadata driven auto assembly. Sure, maybe as a first pass instead of an assistant’s manual assembly. But to do anything good beyond that, there’s never a substitute for knowing the material. Knowing the material takes time. Less time, less likelihood that the very best material will always be known and used. I don’t see this dynamic changing anytime soon.

[Jeremy Garchow] “Anything else we should over analyze today?”

LOL, this thread is awfully long, isn’t it?

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[David Lawrence] ” “Maybe, it depends how much task overlap you’ll be able to squeeze. I’m with Walter in that those three prep days still need to happen at some point. It’s a question of when and who does it.””

[Jeremy Garchow] “I disagree.”

[Jeremy Garchow] “FOr instance, a current project I am working on consists of about 30 hours of interviews on two camera (so double that in real time). We have to go through the 30 hours of footage when we receive a paper edit from the client. I would much rather feed it in to a system than have me go through and sort all 30 hours of material. “

OK, so how does metadata tagging help transcribe that 30 hours of interviews? Somebody has to listen it to it, log it and select from it. For the types of shows I typically work on, that’s always a critical and time consuming part of the process. How do FCPX’s organizational tools change this?

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[Jeremy Garchow] “Looking on the bright side of this, if your deadline is Friday, and you’re done shooting the Friday before, instead of having three prep days and four edit days, you might have six edit days.”

Maybe, it depends how much task overlap you’ll be able to squeeze. I’m with Walter in that those three prep days still need to happen at some point. It’s a question of when and who does it.

Also,

[Jeremy Garchow] “You feed fcpx or an application a final script with scenes, fcpx then lays out the entire script by scene (which of course the order could be user defined), and each scene now has an audition clip of all the takes per scene sorted by rating.”

AVID ScriptSync has been doing something like this for years now so the concept isn’t new or unique to FCPX.

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[Jeremy Garchow] “Without an editor watching one single frame, the show is extremely and roughly put together as written. It obviously won’t stay that way, as things start to get fleshed out it might all change, but days and days of organization/prep was saved right there. It’s not that crazy. Editors will still have a very important role, no question, but asking for more time won’t be in our vocabulary for much longer.”

Interesting argument. If I’m understanding correctly, it sounds like you’re proposing metadata as a way to potentially automate the manual work an assistant editor would do. Following Walter’s argument, the assistant’s task would shift to entering the metadata. Is this the basic idea?

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[Walter Soyka] “(Soyka’s Law) “expectations rise at the same rate as capabilities.”

Well said! “Soyka’s Law” is a keeper.

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[Walter Soyka] “Am I missing something?”

Nope, spot on.

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