David Cherniack
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[Michael Hadley] ” Sports are about what the human body and mind can do; not technology.”
There is a logical flaw in this statement. The two things are unrelated as defined by the context of the discussion.
[Michael Hadley] ” Bad calls are part of the game. They are imperfect. It can be frustrating but that’s what makes it exciting, too.”
I understand the frustration part but exciting?. Exciting to see finely tuned athletes giving their all only to be screwed by a bad call? Perhaps the soccer players should be polled to see whether they prefer it that way. I don’t think tradition-loving knobs in the stand should have much say in it.
[Michael Hadley] “One of the reasons I love soccer is that is so elemental and fundamental. No commercials, time outs, headphones, play cards strapped on to wrists. Did I mention no commercials?”
It depends on how you prefer to relieve your boredom 🙂 The argument that soccer is full of strategy is nonsense. It’s about 90% execution, 5% strategy, and 5% trying to get flops by the refs…ohh, I guess that last falls under execution.
[Michael Hadley] “If you want to get up and get a bag of Doritos in the kitchen every 10 minutes, don’t watch soccer. You’ll have to wait at least 45 minutes (plus stoppage time).”
You can always keep the bag by your side and flip over to Master Chef during the more boring moments of the game to keep the saliva flowing.
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Don’t worry, Fabrizio. My post was all irony except for the point about your post being well said. That was completely sincere.
I do really think however that North American sports fans are now so used to video review of contentious calls that it will hinder soccer’s acceptance here on the same level as the other pro sports. There are just far too many blown calls that effect the outcome of matches. Brazil Croatia being the most recent. While the MLS has made some inroads, the league doesn’t publish demographics of its season ticket holders, and I suspect the large majority are first generation immigrants with some second generation who absorbed the love of the game at the dinner table.
Baseball has finally implemented video review of some referee calls, forced by what fans now expect from other sports. If baseball can change surely soccer…well maybe…. but FIFA is as bad or worse than the IOC.
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Well spoken, Fabrizio.
To summarize, and simplify, because it’s the American way, soccer is decadent and corrupt, because it’s true to life for most of the world, but Amercsn football is hopelessly optimistic because every play is designed to score, if executed perfectly, and Americans believe that the world can be perfected….just like (cough) FCPX…
So Americans (and by extension, FCPX acolytes), live in a world of naive, optimistic, delusion, while the rest of the world (and by extension other NLE users) are decadent but realistic. I think the difference is clear now.
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See, all the Footiephiles in this brilliant and intelligent thread prefer to attack American sports for what they perceive as their slowness. They don’t get that things like commercial breaks are beloved by the vast majority of us. Especially the ones that slip through the Loudness Act and tickle our ear drums.
What they prefer to ignore is the main thrust of the complaint: the gross injustices committed by blind and location challenged referees that change the outcomes of so many important soccer games. It’s clear that no one outside fortress North America cares about faulty vision or injustice. If they did they would surely take musket in hand and overthrow the corrupt monarchy of FIFA and establish a new republic, a shining beacon of vision that has at least 3 referees on the field and allows 2 manager’s challenges with video review. Until that happy day I vote that our children not be allowed to play the game until they sign an oath to reject it at puberty, as I, and all sane North Americans have done.
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Interesting take by a soccer writer on the decisive blown call in today’s opener.
David
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[andy lewis] “Your problems with “soccer”:
1. It’s slow
2. Referees make mistakes because decisions are not reviewed – “It’s not for nothing that we happily accept 5 minute waits while refs review and often overturn wrong calls.”Got it”
Got it? Don’t think so.
“Slow” as in soccer is slow action with relatively few scoring chances compared to other sports.
That most fans are happy to trade 5 minutes to get it right and let truth, justice, and the American Way prevail rather than a mistake does not feel slow. Tension builds, after all.
North American football has the no action period between plays. The action speed during the play is blindingly fast, with every play designed to have the possibility of a score.
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[Andrew Kimery] ” The Rams were easily moving the ball in their hurry up offense so two Giants players fall down at the same time to force a stoppage of play.”
You can put money on the fact that the referees of that game were reviewed afterwards by the supervisor of refereeing and warned about it not being allowed to happen again.
The points is that refs will always blow calls. When it affects the final result of a game it’s whether it’s acceptable to the league and the fans. In soccer it seems, no one really cares except the losing team and they’ve just got to suck it up.
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[Shane Ross] “Yeah…NFL referees never make bad calls that allow teams to win when they shouldn’t have. Never happens in American professional sports.”
Of course it happens, but much, much more rarely than in soccer where it seems every third major game I watch is decided in some way or other by a bad call. In North American sports when a major event is decided by a bad call it’s practically treated as a criminal act with league investigations and rule changes. In soccer the only people who get upset are the losing teams and their supporters. The vast neutral majority accept bad calls as a necessary part of the game. They’re right. It is necessary as long as FIFA changes at the pace of a crippled snail. The NHL, which has a much smaller playing surface went to two refs a few years ago. The result is much fewer blown calls. They’ve also gone to coaches challenges and ref instigated play reviews with critical calls.
That fans accept the sorry state of things in Soccer is one major difference with fans of North American pro sports. I’m convinced it’s also one of the major reasons holding back the acceptance of the game here.
David
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[Marcus Moore] “Unfortunately going down the rabbit hole of the relative speeds of nearly decades old processors is hopefully something neither of us have time for. Is there an easy way to qualify what you’re saying?
I’m only familiar with Apple’s slides from the G3-G5 days showing performance vs Intel equivalents.
Stuff like this-
https://www.architosh.com/features/2004/g5-interview/2004-interv-g5nem-1.pht...”
My gawd, man. You just jumped down the rabbit hole. Me, I prefer Mark Twain, “..lies, damned lies, and statistics.” But I do remember the TV commercials.
David
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[Marcus Moore] ” But you have to market and sell your products until you’re ready to make the switch.”
My point is how you market and whether it stretches the truth to all but the truest of believers (but who here would qualify as that :). Apple marketed the Power PC as the fastest most powerful PC on the market when it was a relative clunker to what was more cheaply available on Wintel.
David
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