[Craig Alan]

Thanks Ty,

I like the 7506s during a shoot much as you described. Very easy to pack and hang from whatever. My only complaints: i hate coiled cables. They tangle with almost anything. they stretch out in time becoming more of a mess. With a straight cable I can velcro it to prevent it from being pulled out/strained and to create a custom length. My other slight annoyance is I find the pads a tad small and the overall shape a bit tight for my head. No biggie but does get fatiguing after a while.

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[Craig Alan]

not today it ain’t. bh 800 sweetwater 800. markertek 800 adorama 800 evsonline 800 filmtools 800 amazon 800.

mail in rebate $75.

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[Craig Alan]

check out the sound devices mix pre-d

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/764543-REG/Sound_Devices_MIXPRE_D_MixPre_D_Compact_Field_Mixer.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/765186-REG/Sound_Devices_XL_CAM_XL_CAM_Camera_Mount_Bracket.html

runs on two AA for 6 hours or so.

or there are other battery/power options.

a quality preamp, an accurate meter, a lot of custom I/O adjustments, very good headphone amp, phantom power, tone, etc.

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[Craig Alan]

thanks Ty,

so the ATH-M50 is better for mixing, the 7506 better for monitoring during a shoot?

How does Sony MDR-7509HD Professional Monitor Headphones compare?

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[Craig Alan]

[Ty Ford] “not hyped on the top and bottom (as the MDR7506 are).”

If the 7506s are hyping the low and high end, why are they an industry standard for mixing? I had always read they were very accurate compared to consumer models costing way more that clearly sweeten the sound.

How do Sony MDR-7509HD Professional Monitor Headphones compare?

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[Craig Alan]

Ty how does the Audio-Technica ATH-M50 compare to the Sony MDR7506? I use the Sony both during production and in post.

Have link to your review?

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[Craig Alan]

I like films that have an organic feel and it is often the result of a more organic workflow. A lot of what is being done digitally is making movies less memorable. It’s not the technology or the skill to use it that is the problem. An increasingly complex and fast changing skill set may be overshadowing artistic sensibility as a prerequisite to employment.

Audiences have gotten accustomed to scenes that are mind-numbingly loud, fast, and supernatural. The bar to excite them grows higher and higher. With focus groups and multiple writers on each project, the objective is to sell and appease not produce the most memorable experience.

In theatre and motion pictures, moments and beats are the elements that build scenes, which, in turn, build the story. The story is the vessel that holds the moments, beats, and scenes. ADR is a necessary evil. If scenes were composed with live dialog as a variable then other elements would need to be kept in check. A lot of quick paced edits that override our sense of time and space is a step in the wrong direction. But they certainly eliminate any possible audience awareness of ADR.

ADR does not alter the story. But I think your assumption that it affects beats and moments is correct. Throughout history, a good movie actor has been able to reproduce beats and moments as many times as needed with as much consistency/continuity as possible. Things are shot out of sequence. Retakes and extra coverage is the norm. Today’s movie actor, however, needs to interact with the invisible and silent more than ever. Where the body goes so goes the mind. Actors use their whole bodies to create emotional responses both in themselves and in their audience. So if they do not have the benefit of natural stimuli, then they must draw on sense memories and imaginary interactions. ADR is only one technique being used that creates this need.

To prove your thesis you would need to do a double blind study in which you gauged the response of audience members as a scene unfolded. Was there a difference in their response to an ADR scene vs. one in which the sound was captured live? Since there are so many elements that affect audience response, it would be hard to isolate this one variable. Well-executed ADR certainly fools the audience — they are not consciously aware it was recorded after the fact. I suppose one study you could do is record a short form video in which ADR is not technically needed. Have audiences watch the scene without ADR and then the same scene with ADR. But since first viewing is not the same experience as second viewing, you would need to use two different, fairly large, groups to reach a valid conclusion.

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[Craig Alan]

Tape based cams give you an advantage in terms of reliable archiving. But a big disadvantage in terms of work flow. Flash drive storage is a likely future but are still quite expensive. Used is risky for a tape based cam. The HV30s were used quite a bit for B roll cams on some professional productions where a small cam was needed. SLRs take beautiful images due to their bigger chips but the form factor is not the best for video. The two are beginning to merge. Ideally you have the ergonomics of a camcorder and the larger chips of SLR.

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[Craig Alan]

Back in the SD days I used sony pd150/170s and vx2100. and canon xl2. the xl2 had a more powerful lens and I liked the image better if i provided the cam with enough good lighting. It was a little soft however and canon was a pain at times to get into your NLE. the sony’s were the best run and gun cams around. so forgiving in low light and rugged and easy to use.

Now i am using canon hv30s/40s sony z7u-s Panasonic AG HPX170s. there a folks that would consider all of these toys. On higher end shoots I connect these to AJA KiPro to record in Apple ProRes.

The key to production however is good content good light and good sound.

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[Craig Alan]

If you record sound separately and clearly and light well then you are more than half home. You could use one camera and reshoot at different angles. If you truly want a 3 camera shoot and want to spend $200 a camera and the only purpose of these cams is a clear image, then I would do searches on consumer sites and see what folks say. I don’t think any of the pros and prosumers here have much experience at $200 price point. I would seriously consider getting a partner in this production and let them bring their gear to the party. Since your mechanically inclined I would do a search and look to build a homemade jib, which is what is used for the angles you need.

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