Christian Schumacher
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You’re slow, ok…No need to be nervous, this will slow you down even further. I provided two links, one is for multiple GPUs to use in post production workflows not weird science projects, you see? Those are PCIe and they don’t have TB drivers. Get it? The other is a comparison (Do you know what “of the same calibre” means?) between a 6 drive RAID running on SAS and the other running on TB. There are others, as I mentioned before, that can have 8, 16 and so on, but they get capped over Thunderbolt, and It’s a shame its 2nd iteration won’t fix it.
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[Andy Branner] “But feel free to come back once you don’t need to reach for the K computer of the Advanced Institute for Computational Science as a reference to make an argument.”
Hey, Dr. Banner! Here’s some, feel free to ignore them or twist them:
https://barefeats.com/gpu680v7.html
https://www.barefeats.com/tbolt01.html
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[Andy Branner]”And what type would that be that you can’t in fact talk to them e.g. via a TBo adapter?
The ones that won’t have TB drivers? You know PCIe cards need functioning drivers to work over TB, right? Well, I guess you don’t.
[Andy Branner] And “high-speed” actually meaning higher than any given TBo RAID of the same calibre?
Yes, TB (even 2) will top at under 2.0MB/s. Many 8/16 HDDs enclosures can go higher. Let alone SAS drives or newer SSDs.
[Andy Branner]But I guess having to spend a few hundred dollars more after having (apparently) spent tens of thousands on old and new hardware is asking too much. :-D”
What if one is replacing a dozen? Or more?
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[Lance Moody] ” Aw, I was hoping that the posters here who said after the initial announcement that the base machine would be $6000 could regale us with more of their expert knowledge.”
If we consider the 4 and 6 core entry systems as far from optimal (for video) the 8 core and 12 core coupled with the highest VRAMs should take care of filling up that price tag quite fast. I dare to say even more than that. That’s an obvious marketing move from Apple, very smart to release only the entry systems price in advance. Marketing at its best. There’s nothing to see here, actually. They’re keeping the same price structure than before.
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[Rick Lang] ” I don’t think the CPU and motherboard will be replaceable though so you have a good point to get something like the 8-core option that will more likely retain its value for at least three years. Sure we would all love the D700 GPU option as future-proofing, but I need to wait on prices and relevant benchmarks (using video, please Barefeats!) as the D500 may suffice. I agree best to max it out if you can though so we’ll see what happens in a few months.”
Yeah! More to the point:
Forget the 4 core, forget the 6 core and forget the D300s!
Unless you,
a. need lots of Macs,
b. are crazy for Macs,
c. placed a wrong order,
d. reached your CC limit,
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[Rick Lang] ” I think one difference in an updated iMac will be the lack of dual GPUs that will remain the domain of the Mac Pro at least for a few years.”
This should tip the balance towards the pro, depending on what’s in there. What if one is choosing the entry MacPro, say, by january next year, with the D300s and a 4 core for instance, and this “new iMac” is released within months from that, porting newer intel processors and the latest video card generation? How would that entry MacPro perform then? Yes, there’s going to be an i7 and a light weight video card in the iMac. But did I mentioned that iMacs are also going to have PCIe SSDs? Precisely the same ones the new MacPro has? So, provided you know what you’re doing – or if you acknowledge what you can do with them – those could be virtually identical in a real world scenario. A lot of money can be saved and, at the other hand, a lot of money could be invested in a more wise manner. The same could be said for existing gear, just remember to get machines that have an ongoing AppleCare or something to that effect, insurance or available cash for emergencies.
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[Rick Lang] ” I’m not rushing this purchase until I hear about real world results from people I trust, like this community.”
Amen brother! One point I should address regarding the new mac pro is that a 4 or 6 core won’t deliver the same resale value after a couple of years. Imagine when there’s a new iMac out there with TB2 and PCIe SSDs? (maybe they’ll put a 6-core in there? hmm?) And that won’t be good for the ones holding a 4 core, or even a 6 core, I’ll tell you. This new iMac should be coming in a less than a year from now. More two coins I’ll put in the collective box.
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[Marcus Moore] “No question I’ll be chipping for the D700s- my only question is which is the best processor for FCPX/Motion workflow. For the extra money I’d spend on the 12-core 2.7GHz processor, is there any discernible benefit over the higher-clocked 8-core 3.0GHz.”
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say for extensive FCPX and Motion work, the best bang for the buck is a 8-core coupled with the D700s. Maybe the D500s if one is into narrative and/or outsourcing graphics. But if you’re also compressing a lot then you should go for the 12 core. Meaning that if you have the need to output a lot of files on a daily basis and that’s your only workstation for doing it while you wait for it. And, of course, how fast this turnaround work should be for you, then you choose the 12 core.
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As far as pricing goes, entry models are fine. But I would urge anyone who’s interested in having the best bang for the buck, and for as log as three years, to avoid the entry video cards offering and both the 4 and 6 core processors. IMO, there will be plenty of beefed up “ancient” Mac Pros beating those, specially if you’re into workflows that touches software from other companies than Apple itself. The sweet spot is the 8-core and D500, but aim for the 12 core and D700. Do. Not. buy. 4 or 6 core. Nor. D300. Unless you’re buying dozens, or something like that…
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[Marcus Moore] “What were you thinking they could update? The Xeons that are coming in this 2013 MacPro are the first to support TB and USB3. If Apple had done ANY kind of real update to the MP last year but omitted TB and USB3 ports, how do you think that would have gone over?”
There are established facts regarding Apple’s workstation condition, and the main one is that it is based on 2009 tech. What this means is that Apple left it to rot since then, because they were busy making a boat load of cash. And who the hell cares about Thunderbolt in 2010? Or 2011? I’m talking about SATA 3, PCIe 3, 1333mhz memory, better processors and also upgraded video card offerings. You know, things that they have been doing since the Mac Pro inception. But what did they choose to do instead? They have skipped an year (2011) and then also skipped an entire generation of processors from Intel for the first time since 2006 (SB-2012). When they were being widely ridiculed amongst tech enthusiasts, then they came up with the 2012 model. And that was a huge let down right there, mostly if you consider all the things they were mass murdering during that time: Xgrid, XServe, Final Cut Server and Final Cut Studio.