Chris Harlan
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[Lance Bachelder] “I’ve never ever judged anyone here including you as a “bad” person – that’s just silly.”
You know, Lance the first time I came across you, you were virulently attacking Craig Seeman:
[Lance Bachelder] “PS – Is Craig Seeman the biggest pest in the history of the Cow or what? FCPX will NEVER be widely adapted in the pro world – it’s complete crap.”
I responded to you with this:
“I fear, Lance, that you are speaking out of your hat. Craig, while far more an evangelist for FCP X than I could currently possibly be, has been fair and even-handed in his acknowledgments of FCP X’s weaknesses. We both have strong areas of disagreement about FCP X’s value, yet he has earned my respect, and further, I have learned things of value from him. Sadly, I find myself having to post statements like this more often than I would like.”
Lance, we all have said things in the heat of the moment that we might wish to later disavow. I know I certainly have. I don’t think you have an accurate view of much of the discussion that takes place here, or the degree to which many of the people debating things go to keep things civil, and actually learn.
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Well, and I thought you weren’t coming back here. These are stupid, childish games, Lance.
FWIW, I’m primarily an independent promo preditor. I write, produce, edit between 75 and 150 promos a year, myself, and, beyond that, supervise/produce teams of other editors for both domestic and international units of some very large and venerable companies. When I’m not doing that, I’m happy and grateful to take a seat for a day or a week at any of the fabulous boutique promo houses here in LA. It can be a strenuous job–with many long hours and many tight deadlines–but I like what I do, and I’ve been doing it for a long time. I consider myself quite fortunate to be doing it.
And here’s the thing: I don’t really care–when corresponding with people on this board–how fortunate they have or have not been with their careers thus far, as long as they have some sort of cogent perspective to bring to the discussion. The only time such things are vaguely germane, is when someone is wildly prognosticating without any actual field experience. As to “leaders” you are preoccupied with–I think the heads simply reflect people who post a lot. I’ve never signed on as any kind of forum leader, and, as far as I know, there are none.
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To add to the info, I transcoded one of the files from ProResHQ to DNx 220X with no problem, and ended up with matching TCs. So, it seems to be happening only with AMA.
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[Lance Bachelder] “When someone like Bill Davis or Craig post something positive they are instantly jumped on by the naysayers, who for the most part have less real pro experience than them.”
You know, you keep making that accusation about “pro experience,” Lance, with nothing to back it up. Its easy to point fingers when you are not pointing at anyone directly, but at everyone by association. Its cheap and childish to attempt to undercut other people’s credibility with innuendo.
[Lance Bachelder] “I’ve been a Cow Leader for over 10 years and just for you David, I promise this will be my last post ever in this forum.”
Your choice, of course. Frankly, you were vaguely offensive to advocates when you didn’t like FCP X, and now, you are vaguely offensive to people who have problems with it. I DO think you say interesting things in the Techniques forum, so maybe you are wise to carry out your threat and never darken these doorsteps again.
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[Jim Giberti] “My calculations also show that by then fcpx will have evolved beyond any storylines at all, and Apple will provide all possible content, pre-edited, with a pulldown menu of styles: Drama, Doc, Soft Porn etc.”
I think they’ll even be kind enough to live our lives for us.
On the other subject, my first video card was an Intel Action Media II that I paid something like three grand for, but it was capable of an amazing 30fps at 1/4 resolution. No fields mind you. But what a blow-mind that you could watch full speed video on a computer. Oh, and the AV hard disk I got to go with it–a whopping gig (or was it two) for a grand. NLE, though. THAT was a revolution.
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[tony west] “I can’t simplify it anymore than that for you.”
And I wouldn’t want you to have to. We’ll just have to disagree about a lot of stuff.
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[tony west] “[Chris Harlan] “Free is relative. To get iMovie, you had to buy a Mac.”
I know, and people WERE starting to buy macs. The start of what you see today.
They weren’t buying it to get Imovie.
They already were getting a Mac and “oh. look at here……a free cutting tool tossed in”
A hardware company like Apple can afford to give away software for free or very cheap.
When the guy in the video talked about the Avid student price being 300 bucks. They didn’t pull that price out of a hat. They don’t want to give their crap away for that price any more than I’m a man in the moon.
“You know, Tony, I’m not really following your logic, so I’m not quite sure how to respond. I’m not sure what you mean by “what’s happening today.” Mac Sales? I get that iMovie was a give away, and that people started playing with it. People have been interested in playing with video for a long time. Avid student price has been where it is for a long time–years before FCP X pricing, if that’s what your point is.
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[tony west] “[Chris Harlan] “Software only, it was about twice the price of FCS”
That’s kind of what I was talking about earlier Chris when I said it was a game changer.
It’s not just me saying that, Steve Martin in that clip at about 7 min in is talking about how with fc all you needed was the computer and software. You didn’t need all that hardware.
I already had the computer. It was hands down for me.A lot of people got on the train at the point.”
That’s okay, Tony. You and I and Steve Martin will just have to disagree.
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[tony west] “There were other NLE’s out there but I don’t remember them being “free”
When apple tossed in Imovie for “free” I think that put pressure on Avid. It was just a consumer product but you could cut a wedding or something simple on it. “
I don’t think I would agree that Avid ever felt any kind of pressure from iMovie. As to consumer stuff:
Free is relative. To get iMovie, you had to buy a Mac. There were free movie editors in Windows, but not as good. But, you could buy a generic PC for a lot less, spend 50-150 bucks on something like Pinnacle software, and be in about the same spot for a lot less.
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[tony west] “Dang, that’s a lot of money.
I’m trying to remember what a comparable Avid cost when i was looking to buy fcp 6.
I seem to remember fcp being a lot cheaper but I can’t remember how much”
Software only, it was about twice the price of FCS. Of course, if you were a student you could have gotten ver 3.1 for 3-500 bucks, or there abouts. So–half as much, or twice as much. Take your choice.