Chris Harlan
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[Craig Seeman] ” I suspect that’s why Intel works closely (apparently at least) with Apple because Apple is very willing to push out new technology faster and make changes in the OS to support it.”
Huh. And here I thought the latest note on the relationship between those two companies was Apple making very public threats to leave Intel if Intel didn’t adjust their processor line to suit them.
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[Oliver Peters] “All I can say is that I saw the same Keynote slides and these numbers were not presented as tied together in a direct sense. So “more X users” means of all types. “
I’m so confused. I thought we were talking about an article. But I’m sure you are right. I’m on 12 hour+ sizzle reel burnout. Very little is currently real to me.
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[Walter Soyka] ” design for blended projection systems”
Actually, that sounds kind of cool.
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[Oliver Peters] “Chris,
I think you are inferring and combining things that weren’t necessarily presented in that context. The number of users was presented simply on the basis of numbers without any definition to who the users are. I extrapolated that X may include more non-pros in the mix than “legacy”. As far as the 52%, that’s based on SCRI’s study, which is supposedly based on polling professional commercial and film editors and shops. The two numbers are not connected nor are they contradictory. Also that 52% is based on new purchases. It doesn’t mean they quit using what they already had.”
You might be right. I’m just going off the quote from “Post.” I’m sure there is more to it. “Apple also pointed out a recent SCRI report on broadcast and post NLE purchases that suggests the company owns 52 percent of the market when it comes to new seats. Additionally, Apple notes that there are now more editors working with FCP X that with Final Cut Pro 7.”
But what are “new seats?” Since January? Six months? A year? Three years? And how do you define editors? I find it very, very difficult to believe that there are more paid editors working with FCP X than with 7. I have absolutely no problem believing that more people are using X than 7, but editors “working” with it is an entirely different matter.
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[Oliver Peters] “The claim by Apple is that there are now more installed users of X than legacy. Why doubt that? Plenty of new users (amateurs and students) have been added to the fold. “
I certainly don’t. But for me, that’s where the humor comes in. Its all in the way its phrased: “the company owns 52 percent of the market when it comes to new seats. Additionally, Apple notes that there are now more editors working with FCP X that with Final Cut Pro 7.”
52 percent of the market? Maybe of people who’ve bought things to cut video with, but not of target audience for NAB. Very different markets, with some overlap. Also, are editors now simply defined as “anyone who owns a $300 piece of editing software?”
Seats? That’s the way you count installed business users, not folks that want to do stuff with video. I mean, how many “seats” does iLife have? I’m betting the product and term have never met until this last sentence. Its just your average BS corporate propaganda, and I always find that funny. From my POV, that kind of fluffery signals a near-worthless report.
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Bill, I have to say I enjoyed that.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “besides which – I never mentioned thunderbolt anyway? I don’t get why that was the response to the link I posted.
“That’s sort of a hit-and-run mantra the guy has for everything. He has this thunderbolt-exists-so-its-all-good thing going.
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[Chris Kenny] ” to appeal to a much larger market than is mostly represented in these forums, and it seems fairly plausible that it’s actually quite successful in that market. As far as I can tell, Apple is doing the ‘appeal to the low-end, then move upmarket’ thing. People ‘upmarket’ are judging it as a failure because the ‘move upmarket’ part of that hasn’t happened quite yet (though with respect to features, it’s progressing rapidly), but at this stage it could only be definitively said to have failed if the ‘appeal to the low-end’ part weren’t working. And that part seems to be working. There’s absolutely no reason to believe FCP X is a commercial failure. It’s the top-grossing app in the Mac App Store (following Lion, but Lion isn’t actually an ‘app’), which means it’s probably one of the most successful apps on the platform. And the current version has a 4-star rating there — many people seem to be buying the app and liking it.”
I agree with everything you are saying. I was simply responding to your statement “I think people would have recognized this had it been from a company other than Apple.” My guess is that if it had been released by anyone other than Apple, it wouldn’t have been particularly noticed.
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[Walter Soyka] “I think a lot of people are still holding on to FCP7 and are just starting to evaluate their options now.
“Yeah, “the rush back to Avid” for many of my FCP7 co-workers has been in theory only.
[Walter Soyka] “Once all the cards are on the table later this year, the market can start picking winners and losers. We’ve still got months of fodder for discussion here, if not a few years. I’d be very surprised if the bulk of FCP7 refugees all chose the same new NLE.”
I agree, except perhaps regionally. Here in LA the lean to Avid is fairly strong.
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[Chris Kenny] “What I see is that FCP 7 and Avid projects are coming through in about the same ratios they did before FCP X. For all that people talk up Premiere as the solution to everything in various online forums, we have yet to even receive an inquiry about whether we can handle a project edited in it. We also haven’t received inquiries about finishing projects cut in FCP X, but in my capacity as our resident workflow geek several clients/contacts have at least asked for my opinion about it, which they haven’t for Premiere.
“That’s largely what I’m seeing too, other than–because I work in a gfx intensive advertising market–I’ve had maybe two questions about FCP X and a dozen or so about Premiere. The Premiere questions come from AE designers, who feel their lives would be a tad easier and their power base more consolidated if Premiere became the shop NLE.
[Chris Kenny] ” FCP X is properly viewed as a promising challenger that needs some time to mature, and I think people would have recognized this had it been from a company other than Apple or had Apple’s messaging been better.”
Here, we disagree. I instead question whether it would exist a year after its intro if it had been from someone else other than Apple. BUT, I have come to agree that it has its uses, and that it should not be judged as a replacement for FCP 7, even though you can hardly blame those of users who did for doing so.