Chris Harlan
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[Walter Soyka] “Again, subscription may not be right for everyone — but just because it’s different doesn’t automatically make it bad, right?”
Agreed. I own my copies, and plan to continue that way. What I really like is that I can scale seats up or down quickly if I need to. It becomes a nice side option.
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[Christopher Key] “Still there seem to be reasons to learn FCPX that will make it worth the time and maybe I’ll like it for some projects.”
Sorry, mate. I misunderstood your question. FCP X is definitely worth learning, but from my POV, not first. Its on my ToDo list, but pretty far down, unless the environment changes some. For me, its mostly a curiosity. But that certainly could change. Its why I keep my eye on it.
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[Charlie Austin] ” heartily agree. For folks on *both* sides of the fence. 😉 It’s like the modern version of the classic Mac vs. PC “debate”. lol
“Ain’t it just?
[Charlie Austin] “But, hey… if I need to go to Pr or MC, no biggie… I know ’em all. It ain’t rocket surgery. 🙂 “
True enough.
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[John Davidson] “My ears are burning! I was gonna stay out of this fight!
“No. You’re currently the Dude.
[John Davidson] “I’m glad we switched and look forward to IA coming out with handles for AAF exports in August, which will make our ProTools mixer very happy. That said, we’re getting good with roles for the time being.
“See, the Dude abides. I can’t wait to see what you’ve got cooked up over there.
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[Shawn Miller] “[Chris Harlan] “So, in the promo world, I see Pr6 making a few waves.”
That’s interesting, I guess I just assumed that everyone in broadcast would just go Avid or Smoke. I’m really curious to see what the post landscape will look like in a few years… personally, I’m hoping to see a lot more diversity across tools, platforms and software providers. 🙂
Shawn
“What it is, as far as I can tell, is Pr6’s relation to AE, in that it integrates well, and that there are copies just laying around. Plus, the subscription option allows for a quick build up and breakdown of extra seats in a crunch period, which the promo world is very susceptible too. Add to that, the ease of transition from FCPL to Pr6, and you get some movement.
I should mention, though, that a few promo folks like our own John Davidson are keen to move forward with FCP X. I’m looking forward to going and seeing their X setup later this summer. I’m quite interested to see what they’ve got going.
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[Shawn Miller] “[David Powell] ” …(there aren’t many jobs on Premiere either) its takes time, but is well worth it.”
It depends on what you do. You probably won’t find many PPro listings for broadcast work, but if you do corporate, motion graphics or or event work, you’re much more likely to encounter Premiere.
Shawn
“My guess is that, in the promo world, there are a number of Creative Directors itching to push it in that direction. I know of two medium-sized boutiques–one specializes in game promos, the other in broadcast promos–that are planning to venture into Premiere, though both are still on FCP 7. When the new season starts, I’m planning to mix it in, along with Media Composer. I’m sort of at that point where I’m enjoying bouncing around between them because it feels like a bit of a workout. My muscle memory is even beginning to remember what system I’m on.
So, in the promo world, I see Pr6 making a few waves. In long form, probably not so much until Adobe gets the render-out wrinkles a bit more domesticated.
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[Bill Davis] “[Chris Harlan] “If I had to choose a single piece of software for a video editing business it would NOT be FCP X. Its far too limiting. Of course, in other arenas, it could be all you need.”
We understand this about you, Chris.”
LOL. We? You and the other doctors in the observation room?
[Bill Davis] “But perhaps what’s most “limiting” here isn’t X, but the way you emotionally react to those who appreciate it – which tends to drive you to trot out this kind of language?””
Oh, Doctor Bill. Physician, heal thyself.
[Bill Davis] “Ploy? Cogs?
Are you doing lots of work for either Fox or MSNBC? You know, someplace where it’s fashionable to use language to belittle and marginalize in order to puff up an otherwise weak position?
“Bill, you use more loaded language and set more straw arguments than any other person on this site. You go so far out of your way to “belittle and marginalize in order to puff up an otherwise weak position” that you should be receiving awards for it.
[Bill Davis] “If you’re correct in your analysis, Chris. Then X will fade away and Premier will become ascendent.
But I simply don’t see that happening.
“Again, false argument! There’s plenty of room for X. I expect it to thrive. There are a number of things that it is probably better at than any other NLE. I probably end up saying that in about a fifth of my posts. So, fiddle-stixs to you for creating an argument that I’m not having with you, so that you can make a point that isn’t there. This is something you do a lot of, btw.
[Bill Davis] “As new editors flood in (and they are, in legions) they’ll need to choose a tool.
I believe that tool will increasingly be FCP-X for lots of reasons. The primary is that it represents three market-making realities. It’s inexpensive. It’s very, very capable with tremendous “back end” potential rapidly developing. And, unless the editor is burdened with lots of ingrained practices that have to be jettisoned in order to adapt to it’s new processes, it’s extremely easy to acquire and learn at a basic, functional level.
And I can’t emphasize that last element enough.
“Hey, you get no argument from me. Especially if it improves, gets rid of its current ceiling, and loses some of its rigidity, it might just end up being top of the heap.
[Bill Davis] “Buying X is a couple of clicks and a single, clean choice. With some basic training you can be cutting basic video on it in a couple of hours. The “auto” stuff in it makes basic easy in X. Easier than any other software I’ve used. Then like a good DSLR, as you learn to take control, it lets you turn all the “auto” off and be more precise.
“Dude, buying anything is pretty much that way now, and its only going to get more that way. Only takes a couple of clicks to download CS6 or Media Composer. AND, you can do that from the world’s largest OS. I mean, an OS that has so many more installed seats that its laughable. So, who actually has the future advantage there? Seems like it might be NLEs that straddle both worlds.
[Bill Davis] “Buying Premier Pro, in contrast is still wrapped in a maze of “bundle packages” and “own verses subscribe” options that make little sense for anyone but the company selling it. It reminds me of a photo gig I did with a Mamaya 4×5 camera with a Leaf back about 18 months ago. That was NEW grafted onto OLD. They tried to keep the “pro” of the 4×5 format – while adding some digital sizzle.
“Oh, I see. Offering actual choices is a BAD thing. Oh, Doctor Bill. Funny, I don’t get your analogy at all. What it reminds me of is walking into a store that has its shelves stocked with a variety of products, as opposed to walking into a store where there is the exact same thing on every shelf.
[Bill Davis] “For someone who just wants to learn to edit video and turn out quality work with minimal hassle – I believe X has the much superior path.
But the market will make the final choice.
“No. If that were true, there’d only be one car.
[Bill Davis] “In five years we’ll look back at the way most contemporary editing is being done. And if at that point, the “mega-suite” something for everyone Premier approach is dominant, I’ll say so.
“I don’t give two poops bout what is dominant. I just care about what I need.
[Bill Davis] “I haven’t had a project that X couldn’t handle beautifully and very efficiently once I learned to use it properly.
“Okay. That’s your business.
[Bill Davis] “Apple felt that annoying the base was both a necessary and fair price for making a better product for the future.
“I’m always amazed at the certainty with which you can read Apple’s mind.
[Bill Davis] “The only thing I know for certain is that nearly everything about how I make video has changed over the past 5 years. I don’t use the same cameras, I don’t’ use the same tungsten lights, or analog audio gear, or CRT monitors I used to use. All of that technology has changed for the better.
Why should I use the same old style of software?
It’s a reasonable question, anyway”
Sure it is.
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[Bill Davis] “If you see your “career” as working simarily to the environments that were prevalent in the prior era – contributing as a role player in a shop environment. Then you should probably prepare yourself for that with traditional suite-friendly tools like PPro or AVID.
If, on the other hand, you think that editing will continue on the path toward individual empowered editing over collaborative “shop based” editing, then you owe it to yourself to explore and understand how the most successful video editing software tool creation company, Apple, sees the future of editing.
“I still think that’s a false dichotomy, Bill. CS6, for instance, offers quite a few more tools to a one-person-bander than X does. I mean, way more. Beyond not-even-in-the-same-ballpark more. And, its design lets it play with other tools, like DAWs, that that one-person-bander may also own, but, since it also has a DAW, that might not be necessary. And, it fits on the same laptop as X. Your rather constant ploy seems to be that anything that is not X is about big, last-century video and is used by cogs or “role players” in someone else’s machine.
If I had to choose a single piece of software for a video editing business it would NOT be FCP X. Its far too limiting. Of course, in other arenas, it could be all you need.
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[Mark Dobson] “Well you have to evaluate things from how they will serve you and yes for me FCPX works well. It does not easily fit into the world of large production houses or with people who need to collaborate a lot with other
editors.But for editors working on their own and small production companies FCPX is a self contained and powerful piece of NLE software.
Going back to the original question of this thread – is learning FCPX worth the time? – Yes, definitely if you are prepared to learn how to use it properly. You can’t just dip in and get a good workflow going immediately.
It is very different.
But if you want to be able to quickly organise, color correct and edit and output file based media it’s definitely worth investing the time to learn how to use it.
“Mark, I agree with everything you are saying here.
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[David Eaks] “Should you accept this existence as a new being, a hybrid created in the reality distortion field of this omnipresent but only self-aware entity, you may be viewed by some as a freak. Although somehow you know that you have been bettered by the experience. “
David, do you have to shave your head to make it fully operational?