Chris Harlan
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[Bill Davis] “I actually wondered if these guys were running Linux until I saw the last photo.
“Why would they be running Linux? The X11 support inside OS X is superb, which is why many scientists gravitate to it. They run their specialized Unix programs through the X Window. Sadly, X11–which for several years was standard with OS X –is a casualty in Mountain Lion, so I’m betting none of them are on Mountain Lion right now. There’s XQuartz support, though, with libraries and such, so hopefully X11 will continue.
[Bill Davis] ” I’ve got to figure these guys wouldn’t want to run sub-standard hardware and this represents pretty impressive PR for Apple none the less.”
No one has said anything about “sub-standard hardware.” Again, straw argument. For that matter, no one has said anything about OS X being bad. I think if you understood what these folks were doing, in terms of the specialized Unix programs they are running, and X Window’s ability to do that well, you’d understand why most of them have Macs.
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[Shawn Miller] “[Jerry Hofmann] “Apple writes natively for only one OS, which we all agree is currently the better OS for all round computing.”
I wasn’t there when the vote was taken, so I’ll have to disagree here.”
Dang. I missed it too. Could it be that the Mac guys are only sending out ballots to like, you know, other Mac guys?
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[Charlie Austin] “but I wish i could sit down with Herb and Chris and others and show them why I think so”
Well, I can do that. After summer, lets have a long lunch sometime. My treat. We’ll bring our laptops and bounce the thing around a bit. I’d really enjoy that.
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[Steve Connor] “I’ve made a chart, I think this proves beyond any doubt that FCPX is faster than Legacy
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You got me. You got me. You got me. How do you argue with facts like that? You can’t. You just can’t.
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[Steve Connor] “[Chris Harlan] ” It just gets weird when folks make these majestic pronouncements about X, like it being faster than anything including cheetahs”
Cheetahs aren’t very fast at editing at all, their hand to paw co-ordination is terrible.
“See, Steve. You are always straight-forward. Even when it comes to cheetahs.
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[Bill Davis] “[Chris Harlan] “It just gets weird when folks make these majestic pronouncements about X, like it being faster than anything including cheetahs”
OK then. Just because it’s making my work go much faster, I’ll pipe down. Who wants to hear about that kind of thing anyway when learning about a software tool.
“No. Sharing personal anecdotes about how it improves your work is of great value. Making vacuous, unsubstantiated claims that X is just downright faster than anything else that exists is of no value. Do you understand the difference?
[Bill Davis] “[Chris Harlan] “or that its metadata underpinnings are tied into some 23rd century technology that anchors it to the heart of the future and is the door to all known universes.”
Again, OK. I get that it’s hard to understand for some. It’s kinda complicated I’ll admit. OTOH, I’ve been talking to my old magazine friends about doing some more writing for them, and know what? If I do, they tell me I’ll have to deliver not just my articles, but likely attached keyword collections and keyword analysis metrics. Cuz, all that pesky metadata stuff is kinda transforming that industry, too. Go figure.
“I don’t even know where to start with you on this Bill. Your blindness to the state of everything else out there, and your persistent claim that people who don’t value what you value just don’t “get it,” is a bit tiresome. You should open your eyes and look around a little bit more.
[Bill Davis] “[Chris Harlan] “AND that I won’t truly understand either of these facts until I spend six months studying it and rewiring my neural pathways so that I “get it.” And, no questioning or criticizing until then. Sadly, that’s the same argument cults often employ. ”
Wouldn’t it be really scary if that was actually TRUE. That a person couldn’t pick up this particular NLE and using their accumulated knowledge of how to use previous ones – use THIS one efficiently from the get go? Golly! That would certainly cause months of consternation and angst amongst the editing community…. oh wait.
“Bill, there are many places in life where you need to make a decision based on a minimal amount of useful evidence. We don’t have the time in our lives to read every book to the end to decide that we don’t like. We don’t even have the time to read the first chapter of every book to decide that we don’t like it. Does that not make sense to you?
[Bill Davis] “And excuse me, but who exactly has prevented any voices from criticizing X in any way shape or form? Yeah, some of us push back when we think you’re wrong. But that is NOT the same as “no questioning or criticizing.
“There’s another one of your straw arguments, Bill–Where did I say anyone was preventing anyone else from doing or saying anything? Nowhere. You elevated what I said into something I did not say so that you could argue against it.
[Bill Davis] “Finally, cults do “cult stuff” to gain control and force others to subsume their individuality in service to the cult. Apple, having been a planetary leader in creating tools that EMPOWER individual expression is kinda the anti-cult, IMO. You and others keep coming back and bemoaning how they took away Legacy – that’s kinda like willfully disbanding a cult right there, isnt’ it? ; )
“I think I’m going to mostly ignore the fact that right now you sound pretty much exactly like every other shaved-head disciple in defense of their glorious master, and simply point out another of your straw arguments–at one point, I certainly bemoaned the loss of 7, but it has been a very long time since I bemoaned it. I think I stopped bemoaning it at least 6 months ago. Probably longer. Only in your head am I still bemoaning it.
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[Herb Sevush] “[Chris Harlan] “If I did multicam, for instance, I’d be thinking about it.”
Not until they built some sort of timecode sync indicator window you wouldn’t.
“Ah. See? I didn’t think about that because I’m not thinking about it. If I’d been thinking about it, I would have thought about that, and realized that I should stop thinking about it.
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[Charlie Austin] “I don’t think it’d take 6 months, it took me about a week to get my head around the interface, a little longer to learn the important keyboard shortcuts and figure out a workflow that I could deal with”
I wouldn’t expect it to take six months either. I just threw out that number because I was pontificated at once that I had no right to criticize X unless I’d put that kind of time in.
[Charlie Austin] “And honestly, at the end of the day I’m gonna need to get the rest of the editors where I work on board. It’s not a done deal”
LOL. Among my guys, I’m the one that has something nice to say about X.
[Charlie Austin] “Chris Harlan] I’m certainly open to it in the future. Three things might get me to hand my brain in for 6 months of trial and error–a mixer, color-coded roles (so that I can get a strong visual of where things sit on my timeline), and the ability to manually save both backups and alternate versions. Oh, four–add the ability to export a range.”
Well, I.m betting that’s all coming,”
If it does, I’ll probably give it a shot.
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[Charlie Austin] “Works just like any other NLE on the planet if you want it to. X is very flexible despite the fact that everyone who hasn’t used it thinks it’s not. 🙂
“Sigh. I just don’t have the time, Charlie. It’s a value judgement. It might be fun and it might be useful, but as I’m watching things move around town, I’m just not seeing it getting much traction. You like it. Folks like John Davidson like it. But I just talked with another cable Network that’s going all Premiere for promos. I’m not feeling any real incentive to get on board with X.
The thing is, I like the way I work now, and I have been given very few actual reasons to rethink it. If I did multicam, for instance, I’d be thinking about it. If I were in fast-paced ENG, with a lot of simple A/B, I’d be thinking about it. And the fact that you and John think its spiffy and valuable, and that we all do kinda the same thing, gives me some pause, and when Summer’s over I’ll stumble over to John’s place and take a look, but I really don’t feel I have a lot of incentive to get on the X bus.
I’m open to sound argument, though, and like it when I hear concrete specifics about FCP X’s virtues. It just gets weird when folks make these majestic pronouncements about X, like it being faster than anything including cheetahs or that its metadata underpinnings are tied into some 23rd century technology that anchors it to the heart of the future and is the door to all known universes. AND that I won’t truly understand either of these facts until I spend six months studying it and rewiring my neural pathways so that I “get it.” And, no questioning or criticizing until then. Sadly, that’s the same argument cults often employ.
I’m certainly open to it in the future. Three things might get me to hand my brain in for 6 months of trial and error–a mixer, color-coded roles (so that I can get a strong visual of where things sit on my timeline), and the ability to manually save both backups and alternate versions. Oh, four–add the ability to export a range.
And FWIW, I don’t know what others mean, but when I talk of FCP X’s inflexibility, I’m referring to its locked down interface–the inability to put windows where you want, the inability to have multiple open timelines, etc.