Carsten Orlt
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Carsten Orlt
November 6, 2012 at 5:05 am in reply to: archive two projects cut from the same events.Create a disk image and copy the 1 Event and both Project folders into it. Archive the disk image.
One file to store all data and nothing is duplicated.
Happy Editing
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Come on Aindreas, it can’t be that hard 🙂
Read Charlie’s post below and all is explained. You’re creating walls were there aren’t any.
Only thing that is different really is that sequences are now outside the initial Event, formerly called Project.
Actually replace the word Event by Project and Keyword by Bin and be done with it. But this would actually use limiting language on a structure that is far more powerful than your ‘single file’ world.
Happy editing
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “To be more plain: everywhere anyone walks into – You have assigned editing objects – but those objects are editorial, narrative, or commercial goals – those are the over riding concern – not the video data containers they might contain. The fact that FCPX cannot configure itself to represent a single goal, as opposed to an archive of events and dispersed editing sequences, means that – and this should come as no surprise to anyone, not alone is FCPX going nowhere, its almost impossible to see how it could ever have gone anywhere. We’re talking an incredibly fundamental flaw in approach no?”
Got to love your lingo, but the only correct part in all of this is the ‘no’ at the end 🙂
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “The “database” threads on here tend to be a lot of proselytizing – usually about power and imagined features – and little actual information.”
Here is ‘a little information’ from Alban’s post before:
But once you are used to sort your media with metadata, there is no way back.
To create a bin of clips with specific format or resolution created on a certain date with a mix of keywords and maybe marked as favorites in an instance out of thousands of clips and dozens reels and cameras is only possible with a database working in the background.Yes it is true the world was spinning before FCPx and you could tag and find your footage before and will long after FCPx has gone. I personally don’t care if FCPx is a database or if Avid is a spreadsheet or vice versa. I’m interested in usability and ease of operation. I have used Avid, Premiere and FCP 7 before and I must say, though confused in the beginning, the X way is the best for me. And if opening 100 Events will slow down this particular software, than I will adjust my organisation to avoid this problem. I could of course always say ‘see not ready yet’, but honestly the time I save these days organising my footage far out ways the time it takes to load the current Event with 3000 clips I’m working on.
FCPx is fully working now. They will improve it I’m sure, but I do not need to wait until ‘they sorted things out’, ‘make it usable’ and so forth.
If I for one second imagineI would have to go back to describing footage by written description to be able to find content within one clip (rather than just skimming over it),
make sub clips which are not trim-able beyond their boundaries in the project timeline (every keyword or favourite section cut into the project timeline extends to the full length of the underlying media at all times),
use sub clips to mark favourite sections which I have to multiply into several bins because a sub clip section contains several talents (and than need to describe every single one separately to make sense of it later) only to find that I set the out point for the sub clip to early and than have to do it all again,
go through the timeline manually to identify all clips shot at a different frame rate (compared to just clicking on the fps keyword I created),
and I could go on and on..
..I would jump of the bridge :-))Happy editing
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[Jeremy Garchow] “A news organization?
Political campaign?
Sports?
Anything with giant swaths of media that extend over days/months/decades?”
And what would be the reason that I couldn’t add media to a smaller amount of Events in each of those cases?
If I know that having many Events open might cause problem, why would I do it? Wouldn’t I use Events differently and reorganise so I use less Events? The only reason to have a separate Event is actually when you want to use media in this Events in more than one Project over a longer period (Archive footage).
And don’t confuse this with wanting to make many Projects from one Event.It does take a different way of organisation. 🙂 And sometime only to avoid hangs or crashes. All software does that to you….
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I think FCPx is doing the exact opposite of what you think it is doing.
It think it actually concentrates on the editing part of post and leaves colour correction/special fx/CGI and sound post to others.
It has both sections but in a basic form which will satisfy 90% of the market today and it has XML to talk to the rest for the 10% who need external solutions to finish their film.Rather clever on Apples’ part to stop trying to turn out a new software every 5 minutes like Adobe does to address a niche section of the whole post market.
Avid tried the same as Adobe by buying a lot of companies and it didn’t work (in my eyes).
Anyhow call other NLE’s organising inner worlds what you want, FCPx new way of organising footage is for me the best I ever used. I do long form projects and understand if you do short form stuff it might not be that obvious, but for long form un-scripted work it is god-send. Plus the incredible ease and quality of the picture engine makes it a joy to work with. It’s not the only software that can combine images to make a film, but it is a very nice one indeed. And I’m not missing anything since leaving FCP7.
[Oliver Peters] “For the most part, users who are serious about what they do, don’t want a single all-encompassing application and will tend to opt for a suite of compatible, companion tools.”
I sometimes fall into the same trap so: we All shouldn’t assume what the ‘majority’ wants by going by our own preferences. We are passionate and would like to convince everybody about our point of view. After all that is the reason we’re on the ‘debate’ forum. But I for instance I’m very serious about what I do and hate application suites with a passion :-))
What I want is not for one company to make all different post applications. I want each company to concentrate on one section and find the best solution. One company making all will always want you to stay within the fence. If all you make is one aspect you WILL make it talk to others, or make other be able to talk to you if you’re confident enough that they will want to play with you.
I think Sony with Sound Forge and Autodesk Smoke are clear indications that Apple will not return any high-end FX (beyond Motion) or audio editing applications. My prediction is: iMovie and FCPx for editing, Motion for graphic design (no need for a smaller sister as it is only $50 and home movies don’t need it), Garageband and Logic for Music, iPhoto and Aperture for photos, and that’s it.
Happy editing, whatever the tool.
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[David Lawrence] “[Oliver Peters] “Absolutely. One of X’s very big weak points. Right now there is no way to effectively manage (within the application) a production that would generate 100 Events and 100 Projects. I don’t mean the software can’t handle it (though I have my doubts) – rather that the interface does not effectively support it for the operator.””
Could you give an example where you need 100 Events and 100 Projects?
[David Lawrence] “[Jeremy Garchow] “I am just curious as to why it’s all of a sudden a bad idea to make an NLE a hub. Isn’t that what everyone was so pissed about on day 1? You couldn’t get data in or out of it?”
Can you get tags and keyword collections out of it?”
Yes you can. Look and the new Share tab in the Events section (next to Info).
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Also, I think I would like the trackpad, but it seems like it might hurt my wrist.”
That’s the point: It doesn’t at all. Same comfort as the Wacom with the added benefit that you don’t have the pen in your hand all the time. I always hated the fact when you need to type something that you have to put the pen away, type, grab the pan again..
Anyhow I’m an ex-Wacom man 🙂
Cheers
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Absolutely agree!
This version delivers finally what I was hoping for since FCP vers 1. FCP uses all cores at all times. Render times are drastically reduced. Leaving auto-render on all the time is now really usable.
Also no more complicated Quickcluster setups for Compressor. You activate it once and it is available all the time. This also applies for any kind of export (sharing) from within FCPx.
My good old Mac Pro 2008 just got a new lease in life 🙂
Carsten
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On the subject of Wacom: I also used a Wacom for years but switched to the Apple Trackpad. Give it a try. It’s brilliant and has the advantage that you can use multi-finger gestures for scrolling, click and hold, app switching etc. Much more versatile and faster. And because you can set it up to tap-for-click you do not strain your fingers. In my opinion it works much better than the trackpads on the laptops.
Carsten