[Carsten Orlt]

[Carsten Orlt] “doesn’t the FCP video out setting need to match the ioHD timeline setting? “

sorry should of course be the other way round 🙂
FCP timeline match ioHD out setting

[Carsten Orlt]

I’m a PAL man so I work in different frames per seconds so I might be wrong, But

doesn’t the FCP video out setting need to match the ioHD timeline setting?

because there is no DVCProHD setting for the ioHD I think you need to create a ProRes timeline and drop your DVCPro clips into that (say no to set timeline to match footage!)
Cretae the timeline with the same video out setting as you have now. Also you have to choose the right HQ or not HQ setting for your output matching your timeline otherwise you have same problem again.

Last problem in all this is that I think you need a newish MacPro for it to be able to convert DVCProHD to ProRes on the fly.

Now I could be wrong ….

Carsten

[Carsten Orlt]

Its annoying, isn’t it!!

The same thing called different names.

There is no 1080p for broadcast! All 1080 broadcast footage is interlaced = i

On tape it is always 1080i50 for PAL.

What Aja calls 1080i25 should be better called 1080psf25. (progressive segmented frame)

What you did before you got confused was the right thing for progressive shot footage.

Carsten

[Carsten Orlt]

get you point Michael 🙂 Sorry for the mess.

The Solution is the frame rate converter from Panasonic (Panavision Sydney has one)
Shoot in 60HZ on the Varicam and if not shooting 25 convert it via the converter to 25. This way they can either Post in 720p25 (via 720p50) or directly in 1080i25 (50)

And all your post is going to be 25 Fps with the usual Master conversion at the end.

Carsten

[Carsten Orlt]

Hi Michael

Guess always better to make some tests before committing to this workflow 🙂

What I don’t understand is why it was such a big problem?

I would think you cut in 24, do your sound post in 24, export picture from FCP as 24, change Fps in cinematools to 25, speed up your audio by 104% and all should be fine?

to naive? 🙂

Cheers
Carsten

[Carsten Orlt]

James
Read the article again. It is not a nightmare!

Only thing you need to consider is that you can’t really use the the off speed from the Varicam directly in FCP, BUT you can easily if you would go to a facility that has the Panasonic frame converter (forgotten the model number) and would convert any frame to proper 25FPS.

If you shoot only 25Fps all is pretty straight forward.

Now if you do not need off speed you can of course shoot everything with the 900 and then all will be easy.

Think of it this way:
The Varicam is a NTSC frame rate based camera that can shoot 25 because it has variable frame rates. So to work with PAL based frame rates you need to adjust the workflow and how you adjust it depends on what you want.
The HDX 900 is a dual frame rate (NTSC and PAL) camera that works in either, but can’t do any of the of speed rates. Then again it has other features the Varicam doesn’t have, like pre-record buffer.

It all depends and you have to do your research, might do some tests, think about for which markets you want to master etc.

Go the Varicam forum on the cow and you’ll find a million answer to everything re Pal with Varicam/900 etc.

Cheers
Carsten

Carsten

[Carsten Orlt]

all you need to know (and don’t want to hear):
https://www.aulich-adamski.de/en/perm/panasonic-varicam-720p25-support-in-final-cut-pro

Carsten

[Carsten Orlt]

I never done a film transfer, so I don’t know what the best format for that would be?

Best to ask post houses/labs who do this transfers what format they prefer.

Carsten

[Carsten Orlt]

I don’t have a blackmagic card, but I have the ioHD
I do not have a 1200 in house, but hire it when needed.
So the following is my educated guess, and you need to verify it with your equipment!!!

You can’t capture 720p25 with the blackmagic hardware because the BM hardware can’t drop frames from the Varicam stream on the fly. So it can only capture the full 720p60. You can’t convert this via the Final Cut frame converter function, because it only accepts 59.94. But you can only shoot 720p25 with the Varicam when you set the camera to 60Hz NOT 59.94.

Now if you have the Aja hardware you can theoretically (Walter&Gary said this, but I can’t test it until I have the VTR here) capture the 25 Fps when you use the 720p60 Varicam input of a Kona or ioHD. This will drop the duplicated frames and capture only the 25 active frames. Because this only works via the 60Hz setting of the Kona/ioHD my guess is that it will cause problems with the timecode if you are working in the 50Hz world (Pal countries). And I don’t know what happens if you drop this captured clip into a 720p50 sequence?

You can’t capture 720p25 via firewire because FCP only accepts DVCProHD at 59.94 over firewire, But to shoot 25p the Varicam has to be set to 60 Hz.

But if you, as you said, use the conversion function of the 1200 and set it to the 25HD mode the VTR will convert the 25 Fps straight into the 50Hz world. But in this mode it only outputs 1080psf25, NOT 720p. Not sure why Panasonic did it this way, but they did (same for the 1400 by the way).

These are basically your options and you have to decide which is the best way to go.

I certainly have another look at the possibility to capture via the 720p60 Varicam setting in my ioHD to see what I can get. Basically I’m happy to use the 1080i25 format because it is my final mastering format, but because 720 is so much smaller and easier to handle for the compi I still like to check if it is workable…

Hope that helps
carsten

[Carsten Orlt]

I don’t have a blackmagic card, but I have the ioHD
I do not have a 1200 in house, but hire it when needed.
So the following is my educated guess, and you need to verify it with your equipment!!!

You can’t capture 720p25 with the blackmagic hardware because the BM hardware can’t drop frames from the Varicam stream on the fly. So it can only capture the full 720p60. You can’t convert this via the Final Cut frame converter function, because it only accepts 59.94. But you can only shoot 720p25 with the Varicam when you set the camera to 60Hz NOT 59.94.

Now if you have the Aja hardware you can theoretically (Walter&Gary said this, but I can’t test it until I have the VTR here) capture the 25 Fps when you use the 720p60 Varicam input of a Kona or ioHD. This will drop the duplicated frames and capture only the 25 active frames. Because this only works via the 60Hz setting of the Kona/ioHD my guess is that it will cause problems with the timecode if you are working in the 50Hz world (Pal countries). And I don’t know what happens if you drop this captured clip into a 720p50 sequence?

You can’t capture 720p25 via firewire because FCP only accepts DVCProHD at 59.94 over firewire, But to shoot 25p the Varicam has to be set to 60 Hz.

But if you, as you said, use the conversion function of the 1200 and set it to the 25HD mode the VTR will convert the 25 Fps straight into the 50Hz world. But in this mode it only outputs 1080psf25, NOT 720p. Not sure why Panasonic did it this way, but they did (same for the 1400 by the way).

These are basically your options and you have to decide which is the best way to go.

I certainly have another look at the possibility to capture via the 720p60 Varicam setting in my ioHD to see what I can get. Basically I’m happy to use the 1080i25 format because it is my final mastering format, but because 720 is so much smaller and easier to handle for the compi I still like to check if it is workable…

Hope that helps
carsten