Blake Gibson
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Nick, the only way I’ve found to use LUTs with Vegas is with magic bullet looks. The new filmconvert lets you export LUTs, however I don’t particular know what I would export LUTs for?
I really REALLY like Sony Vegas, it’s strange that they don’t implement some missing features that are really needed.
I’m just a beginner, still learning so there would be lot’s of stuff I am missing from my wish list:
– A good white balance tool
– Good shadows/highlights recovery (like Premiere)
– Native LUT support
– Export to OMF
– 10 bit project/export (Just going off what I see here, it’s only 8bit? DNXHD doesn’t offer a 36mbps 10 bit export, just 8bit) -
John: unfortunately I know very little about grading/correction. It’s something I’m really hoping to get better at. Thanks for the help.
Graham: that link looks great! Thanks I will read it tonight!
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Graham, how much would adding another curve have an affect on quality at all? I won’t matter so much for me for this project because I’m using Prores HQ… but other projects that are less robust, like h264 from DSLR’s can’t stand up as well and fall apart really easily
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John, what I meant was, when I first add a color curves and adjust it does luma only with no colours, that’s fine, I can add more contrast, less, whatever. Cool. Then, I go to the other colours and tweak them a bit, from the top down I go: red and adjust that. Then green, oops, the green curve started in the same spot as I left red, not the default straight line. Same with Green and blue….
And if I want to adjust contrast only again without colours, I have to add another instance of curves? I can’t get it back…?
I’m not going to lie, that is confusing and convoluted in my eyes. Granted, I’m still learning and don’t understand curves fully, but I haven’t seen any other NLE’s or programs that have the one box for everything. Avid, Premiere, AE, resolve, all have them separately. Which is why I’m hoping there’s a plugin that has the separate boxes as I have a project due tonight/tomorrow and I need to make adjustments and I don’t have time to try for the learning curve (hehe) of the sony curves.
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John Rofrano, in your screenshot example, how do you get back to the RGB/Luma curve to adjust contrast?
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Hmmm… I really don’t like having the colours start at the same point I set my RGB curve to, I prefer it to start neutral, dead in the middle. I find that when I make a point on the curve is auto adjusts slightly from the RGB point.
Also:
Say I make an S curve to make the image more contrasty, then go to red, play with that, green and blue and play with them and I decide I want less, or more contrast so I go back to RGB to tweak the my S curve (contrast), it has all the colour channels in one box and I can’t select the RGB one… it’s gone. When I click on the curves it goes onto one of the colours, if I move the curves sometimes the whole curve moves, not just the point I select, it frustrates me.
Also, I can’t drag the very top of the curve (highlights) across the top horizontally, only vertically. Likewise with shadows, no vertical, just horizontal.
Do any plugins exist that anyone is aware of that separate the curves in different boxes?
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Sorry about that John, I have no idea what they are called! Circled here in red:
https://i62.tinypic.com/20tj9xy.jpg
The little FX box with the tick. The more of those I add does it degrade the quality more than adding, say, ONLY curves and doing the same amount of grading as, say, 10 FX tickboxes? EG:
Levels (evening levels)
Colour corrector secondary (for saturation)
Colour corrector (adding orange to highlights)
Brightness and contrast (more contrast)would the above damage my footage and degrade it more than doing ALL OF THAT, achieving the exact same result, but doing it ALL in curves, EG:
Curves (evening levels, saturation, adding orange to highlights, more contrast)
Sorry if I’m being confusing!
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You’re Welcome Stephen. It is indeed a beautiful series of short vignettes. Did you check out Kendy’s stuff too?
Wondering if anyone can help out with a colour grading question I have in Vegas? (figured I’d add to this thread instead of start a new one)
You know the whole “you can’t colour grade DSLR footage very much (4:2:0 8bit low bitrate h.264)”, and it falling apart etc etc?
I’m wondering what too much actually is? I’m doing my “grading” in vegas and wondering if:
1) Vegas is more “destructive” to my footage than other programs? Should I get various plug-ins that might be better instead of using the sony vegas native one?
2) When I drag an effect onto the movie/clip, or click the FX icon on the clip and add the effect that way, does it matter how many of those I drag on, or is it what really matters is the ammount of grading I’m doing? EG: Say I drag an “event” for levels to bring highlights down, then another “event” for colour corrector secondary to desaturate, then another “event” for colour corrector to add some orange to the mids, would that damage the footage more than doing THE SAME ammount of grading, but only using one “event” for colour curves to to all of the above (bring down highlights, desaturate, ad orange to mids)?
I’m still experimenting with it, but in the below clip I did all of the above that I mentioned using separate “events”:
– Levels to bring highlights down and overall dark image (I think in gama)
– Colour corrector secondary to bring saturation down– colour corrector to add orange to the mids
– Also added sharpen to 7, and added some grain overlay (Visioncolor) and a 2.35 aspect ratio template
Exported as dnxhd 36mbps RGB, It looks pretty solid when watching it on PC but looks pretty bad after uploading:
PW: cowtest
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Not sure how to quote, but Stephen Crye:
Vimeo does make the videos darker, so I’m assuming it’s the same thing.
Also, when you say 0-16 and 235-255 would you suggest changing the levels so instead of stretching them to 0 – 235 initially, I should stretch them 16-235 instead? (sorry COMPLETE newbie to grading/post here)
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Sorry about the late reply guys. Thanks for all the replies, you’ve all helped me easily solve something that I couldn’t find a straight answer to anywhere else! Basically youtube and vimeo will darken a video no matter what? Thats silly…
I did a whole bunch of testing at home with different export settings and uploads which is all kind of redundant now. One thing I did notice was that the same darkening happens when taking screenshots in VLC (shift+s), so instead of having to upload to youtube to test out a clip you can just take a screenshot in VLC and compare it.
I also noticed that downloading the clip from youtube/vimeo after it had been uploaded, and the video is back to how it was originally (not darkened) so it appears that youtube and vimeo don’t convert the video, they just display it darker.
I also downloaded a couple of my favourite clips from vimeo onto my pc and yep, they are also lighter/brighter…
Just incase you’re wondering about said clips, well worth checking out, they are:
Sleepwalking in the rift, filmed on 5D/7D, beautiful (8 vignettes):
Trailer: https://vimeo.com/55403443
Vignettes: https://sleepwalkingintherift.com/caryKendy Ty’s stuff, mostly filmed on t3i/550D w/sigma 30mm 1.4:
https://vimeo.com/kendytyStephen Crye:
Thanks for the clips, I’ll watch them tonight.Let us know how you go with the tests, I’d be interested to here about them.
John Rofrano:
Thanks again for the info about youtube and studio/computer RGB. I should have just asked here and not wasted my whole Sunday 😀Is there a setting or something that you’re away of that will allow me to export everything as studio RGB? I would like to export using other templates every now and then.
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