Bill Davis
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[Michael Gissing] “With all hardware and software we spin the chamber and click the trigger every day. Caveat emptor.”
Amen to this entire post.
Some kid somewhere right now is eyeing his dorm room six pack cooler and thinking.
“Hey, I bet I can design a bolt on vodka based evaporative chiller that i9 users could strap under their laptops that would let them solve the heat problem and PARTY after work simultaneously… I should fire up the CAD system and take a run at this…”
Ingenuity runs strong in the professional video tribe.
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[Shane Ross] “Yeah, I hate it when people do that. Protecting their reputations behind a mask. I’m all about putting it out there and backing up what I say.
“AMEN my friend.
That said, I’m sure if I went to the WAYBACK machine and pulled down all my old posts, at least a solid 30% of them would have me hiding under my desk in a ego crushing cringe-fest.
The inter webs have no mercy. And apparently an infinite memory!
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[Shane Ross] “Notice that when the computer was put in the freezer, that the processor throttling was less. because it didn’t heat things up as much. so it was allowed to do more. But make no mistake, code was there to throttle it…intentionally.”
Regardless, here we are a bit later – and the issue is identified and apparently corrected.
And all the stuff posted like THIS exchange I grabbed from the web and which should remain without attribution since the OP surely is regretting a bit jumping to this much of a conclusion…
“In my opinion, Apple seriously screwed up here. The testing that I did was easily within Apple’s capabilities, and it is highly irresponsible of them to ship these machines out this way. …”
THATS the type of Ready- Fire – Aim, stuff I’ve been talking about.
Opinions blurted out everywhere – with little foundation – nd it’s harder and harder to tell the ones based on actual FACT, from the ones that SOUND rational – but turn out to be largely blather when the dust settles.
By the way, that was posted under a “handle” as are most web musings these days.
It would go a LONG way to settle things down if folks would just post under their own names( like here on the Cow!) so that everyone needs to be responsible for what they get right, neutral or wrong, over time.
Might server to settle things down. Or Not! ????
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[Shane Ross] “This “small class” of users is video professionals. You know…like the ones who use FCP-X. The ones you always say are a HUGE market for Apple. “
That’s actually not true, at least as I understand it.
The extra grunt of the i9 doesn’t really help video raster work all that much. Where it shines, according to what I’ve read is in the 3D modeling and virtual reality areas where you’re processing massive arrays of polygons to create virtual worlds.
I’m sure it won’t HURT to do your day to day video rendering on it. And perhaps if you’re overlaying hugely complex graphics over video – you’ll want the extra power. But as I understand it – even facing an 8K raster, the performance gains of the i9 over the i7 might turn out to be kinda modest in the real world.
It seems to be one of those things like CPU vs GPU. The knee jerk idea is to simply max out each. But how that effects performance is going to be most effected by the type of work you do and the software you use most often.
My suspicion is that most mobile editors – we may not see much difference in performance at all.
Some DITs might. Other might not. It depends on the type of footage that particular laptop faces most often.
The folk who want to build and test games whilst working on the patio or the beach – yeah, THEY will totally want to rock the fastest i9 and the gruntiest machine they can get their paws on.
But most others, not so much.
If you just CUT on your laptop – but then move your work back to the office to render it out or master things – this whole i9 thing may be a serious non-issue.
Time will tell.
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[Oliver Peters] “Huh? That’s hardly anyone’s motivation.”
Read the inter webs much?
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I bet in 5 minutes I can find 100 folks posting that Premiere, AVID, FCP X or Resolve – as well as ALL the hardware from Apple, BlackMagic, DELL, HP, and Canon are entirely absolute overpriced CRAP and only a fool would use it/them/that.
Bitching about hardware and software is the CORE of the internet. And probably always will be.
Nothing new here at all.
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[Oliver Peters] “I think it’s too early to say that, so it’s good that Apple got in front of this quickly. Especially since – according to Apple – this affected ALL of those laptops, not just the i9.”
Yeah, but the tests on the i7s apparently didn’t see the same type of issues – which led a LOT of the people I converse with to immediately say that buying an i7 variant was the “smart play” – when in fact, it might not actually be.
The worse case, for me was following a thread on IIRC, MacRumors, – where a guy had received his brand spanking new i9 maxed out MacBook Pro – was horrified at the discussion. Decided to send it back bemoaning that after 3 years of waiting – he was CRUSHED at how flawed it was. Posted that his UPS guy had just picked up the package for return…
And the PATCH was released literally THAT hour.
A cringe worthy cautionary thread if I ever read one.
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[Dominic Deacon] “That processor is just too powerful for that form factor.
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Well, if you say so.
(I’m presuming you have a computer hardware engineering degree and a clear understanding of their implementation, of course.)
I don’t. So I don’t have the slightest clue whether this will blow over or not.
All I know is that the debate HAS evolved significantly over the past few days.
Pretty much from “Apple’s new laptop has CANCER!” – down to “Apple’s new laptop is, MAYBE, a bit LAZY.”????
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[Oliver Peters] “This is one of the rare instances in which Apple has actually admitted an error and given specifics. “
So THAT’S the point of all this?
To extract some form of public mea culpa from Apple?
It’s kind of a stunning notion to apply against motivating a global conglomerate.
But, oh well.
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[Oliver Peters] “That’s an incorrect analogy, because performance was actually affected, even without any potential thermal damage. It wasn’t just that the indicators were wrong.”
Sure, and IF the issue had affected performance for a lot of real world users – folks would have had every right to be as upset as they liked.
But of course, this was NOT every user, and certainly not under EVERY load case, nor a problem making the overall computer unsuitable for most common tasks.
This was an edge case for users MAXING out their brand new machines.
That it was a problem affecting a very small class of users doesn’t make it right, of course. But it does it likely didn’t stop many filmmakers or documentarians in their tracks or cost them a penny – and it was addressed appropriately once discovered.
So in sum, it’s as I said, this whole thing will likely recede into computer history as a good dose of nothing much.
And so it goes.
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[Shane Ross] “I mean…back at the start of the digital filming revolution, I was working with P2 footage and encountered an import issue…and blogged about it. Apple then contacted me directly and offered to work with me to find the solution, which I did the following day. Two days later an update to FCP was released. Not meaning to toot my own horn here, but it is another example of this “squeaky wheel gets the grease.” In this case it wasn’t a design flaw, or intentional slowdown…but an actual small bug when it came to dealing with footage shot with a specific setting”
Nobody is saying not to blog about OR discuss flaws in Apples work (or any other companies, for that matter.)
Feedback loops are CRITICAL for system evaluation, always.
But in cases like this – its thousands of voices rushing to bellow about how the cars tires are CRAP – when it fact, a day later it’s discovered that it’s poor alignment that’s ACTUALLY causing the inappropriate wear.
Passing along THIS MODEL CAR EATS TIRES!!! – as the bold face headline – doesn’t really help very much, IMO.
Simple as that.
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