Andy Patterson
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[Bill Davis] “Now I understand the problem. You’re still thinking that “a capture card” in the old context of something that sits in a desktop computer.”
[Bill Davis] “The PCB board is simply in the body of the unit. Like everything about computers, the functions have miniaturized and it’s no longer REQUIRED that a card sit inside the computer.
Not for a long time now.”
I have to say this a tad bit offensive. You really don’t think Shane is aware of the DV converters and external Thunderbolt A/V capture cards? Not only does Shane know about them he has them. I would also like to add even though the device you posted is external it can still be classified as a video capture card.
[Bill Davis] “(I’d love to discuss this more, but I’ve got a boatload of deadline work heading my way this afternoon. I’ll try to pop in as things ease up.)”
Just because the video capture card works on a Mac does not mean it works with FCPX. It depends if FCPX has driver support for capturing with the device or not. In the video below I show how to capture video using Premiere Pro and Media Express. It would work with Premiere Pro on a Mac or PC but it may not work for capturing using FCPX. Does it kind of make sense?
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[Shane Ross] “These are capture devices, I simply say “capture card” out of habit. I know what I’m talking about.”
It is OK to call them video capture cards even if they are external.
[Shane Ross] “Yeah…go ahead and be snippish and jerkish towards me as if I don’t know what I’m talking about.”
That is how I read it.
[Shane Ross] “But you have yet to answer my question…how do you directly capture video into FCP-X? What capture DEVICE can you use, within the FCP-X interface, to capture video? Does that device you post do that? That is what I have been asking for 2-3 posts now. HOW was the video signal captured directly into FCX?”
I agree. Simply having a capture device connected to a Mac does not guarantee it works with FCPX or Premiere Pro. You may have to use Media Express exclusively with that product.
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[Bill Davis] “And (and this is my opinion only) if you are constantly switching back and forth between X and Non-X editing – your thinking will adapt much more slowly. NOT because the editor won’t adapt to the buttons or processes well enough. Good editors are plenty skilled at that. It’s because the soft skills of X editing – keyword strategic thinking – case specific thinking about stuff like when it’s best to use Snapshots verses Auditions – how to structure Roles vast exports for efficiency – THOSE skills are typically refined for X editors via constant trial and revision.”
Did you ever think Premiere Pro might actually be more capable than you think? You say people struggle with X. Do you have proof of that? In the video below I see someone struggling with Premiere Pro to the point where it should make you cringe but I think you liked the video. I know several FCPX users have posted the video in this forum because they thought it was a good demonstration. I proved that to be incorrect. A lot of people may not know how to use X with 100% efficiency but a lot of people don’t know how to use Premiere Pro and Avid with 100% efficiency. When you do become 100% efficient with all three NLE you will realize they all work just fine. Each will have unique features that the other ones lacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcnXFhTC1k&t=260s
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[Robert d'Alexis] “I believe such a card already exists: https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/design-visualization/doc...”
Benchmarks and YouTube videos have demonstrated the Quadro cards are inferior to the GeForce cards performance wise when using Premiere Pro.
Maya, 3DS MAX and Auto CAD might bring about very different results when using those same cards.
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[Bill Davis] “I thought that on the OJ Speaks project Patrick worked on for Chuck Braverman they tested the beejesus out of the Terrenex verses just doing direct digitizations into FCP X -letting it do the scaling internally – without any intervening transcode boxes AT ALL – and came to the conclusion that the results were indistinguishable.
Are you saying a Terrenex workflow is measurbly superior?”
I thought it was just the opposite. I thought Shane said the Hardware (Terrenex) was better than using a generic IEEE Fire Wire convert for capturing.
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[Brian Seegmiller] “I capture S/VHS tapes, digibeta, betacam, into FCP X using a Canopus 300.”
I think Shane had mentioned FCPX can work with DV and HDV devices. No drivers are needed for those devices. The Canopus ADVC 300 is like a DV device. I have the ADVC 110. I wanted to get the ADVC 300 but there were none left. I think I bought the last ADVC 110 from B and H Photo. The Canopus Products are less likely to need a TBC as opposed to the the BMD Intensity Shuttle but the Shuttle can do a lot more than the Canopus ADVC products. I think the ADVC 300 has a TBC built in. As far as I know they are no longer manufactured. I miss the IEEE Fire Wire converters.
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[Steve Connor] “[andy patterson] “we don’t say the GUI of FCPX is cringe worthy or hideous. ”
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you call it “Fisher Price” ?”
You are correct. I said the same exact thing about Premiere and Edius. Not Premiere Pro but Premiere 5.0 and 6.0. It is honest criticism. I will try to have a video demo showing the differences between the two GUIs (Premiere Pro and FCPX). As you can imagine my video will not be laced with bias but honest criticisms. I have stated the biggest downfall for FCPX is the GUI. Unlike people who like to talk rhetoric I will provide evidence of why that is the case. I might have the video ready in a week or two.
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[Gabriel Spaulding] “”Instead of stating FCPX is leap and bounds better than Premiere Pro why not just state FCPX works better for my needs?”
FCP X does work better for my needs. I have already said that. And FCP X is leaps and bounds better than Premiere Pro —at some things. If you interpret “some” as “all” then you have a comprehension problem.”
Is it a comprehension problem? Reread you own quote below.
[Gabriel Spaulding] ” Having used both, organizing footage in FCP X is leaps and bounds faster and more flexible than it is in Premiere Pro.”
Or you could say vastly superior. I simply want to see proof from you. Not Thomas Grover Carter.
[Gabriel Spaulding] “You have both and you like one more than the other, but you’re not content with liking Premiere Pro you have a curious desire to constantly validate your preference by comparing it to FCP X and asking FCP X users to justify their decisions.”
That is incorrect. I don’t want FCPX users to justify their decision. I do want them to justify their comments. Unless people actually demonstrate how FCPX is vastly superior for their needs it is just useless rhetoric. Keep in mind I am not doubting FCPX is better but I need proof of this.
[Gabriel Spaulding] ” I could not have been more clear that all of the NLEs have their own strengths and weaknesses, that what an individual prefers to use is irrelevant, and that what you use makes absolutely no difference to me.”
They do have strengths and weakness. I am talking about what was written below.
[Gabriel Spaulding] ” Having used both, organizing footage in FCP X is leaps and bounds faster and more flexible than it is in Premiere Pro.”
All I want is proof of this. In the video link I posted it was Premiere Pro that proved to be much more flexible than FCPX for Scott’s needs. That is kind of my point. Once again you don’t see Premiere Pro users claiming Premiere Pro is leaps and bounds better than FCPX or that Premiere Pro is more flexible than FCPX. Scott in his video stated for him Premiere was more flexible for his needs. Keep in mind he also demonstrated why. That is what I want to see from the FCPX users. Is that to much to asks?
[Gabriel Spaulding] “What exactly is the problem? And why is it so important for everyone to understand your point?”
I would like to see you edit with Premiere Pro and FCPX. I say that because when I see this done by a FCPX users I can easily find ways in which they could speed up their workflow when using Premiere Pro. Let me ask you this. Is it possible a Premiere Pro editor could edit as proficient as you when you use FCPX? Would FCPX be leaps and bounds better than Premiere Pro or would both programs require a great wealth of knowledge to use them 100% efficiently? Keep in mind I have never stated FCPX is better or worse than Avid or that FCPX is better or worse than Premiere Pro. I will say there is a lot of bias info on the internet. I prefer honest criticisms. I would like to see more honest criticism in these forums.
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[Shane Ross] “There was a big team on the research side of this, as they were looking for the very rare and “lost tapes” around the incident. The best finds were the NASA Rehearsal tapes shot on VHS that really were never seen outside NASA…and then behinds the scenes footage of CNN rushing about trying to figure out what was happening.”
That is why I like having the Blackmagic Design Intensity Shuttle. It is hard for me to watch VHS tapes or even interlaced HDV tapes on a computer monitor. I would never want a client to have to view it like that either. I don’t doubt there was very interesting content on the old VHS tapes even if the quality is not that great.
If I remember correct I think you stated the GUI of FCPX will not allow for video capture using 3rd party hardware. It would not be that bad using BMD Media Express but it would be nice to just stay in FCPX.
[Shane Ross] “I’ve worked with this company for just about 8 years now…and online all of their shows (using Resolve)…including that one. Along with this award they won a Peabody award for MLK: THE ASSASSINATION TAPES (also cut by David Tillman)”
Sounds like your company worked on some interesting projects.
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[Gabriel Spaulding] “I have yet to see a FCP X user jump on an Adobe forum and bash Premiere Pro, yet it’s rare to find a FCP X forum that hasn’t been polluted by an acrimonious Adobe user. People are critical, and not always at the right time or in the right place. I honestly don’t see how one can paint Adobe as the victim without wearing a smirk.”
I never stated or even implied that any FCPX user trolls the Adobe forums. That is a straw-man argument. Please don’t use anymore. Having said that. I have seen several FCPX meetings where the presenters take a smack or two at Adobe and Avid and the audience cheers on. That is reality. I don’t see that happen at Adobe or Avid meetings. Not to mention the countless times I hear it implied that Avid and Premiere Pro are old an outdated at the cow.
[Gabriel Spaulding] “I have not incorporated Premiere Pro into my current workflow because I dislike using it so much. This does not mean it isn’t capable. This does not mean I don’t recognize its strengths. This does not mean I wouldn’t or couldn’t use it if requested. I just personally find it cluttered and clunky, though it’s not worth my time to try and convince the rest of the world that it’s cluttered and clunky. Many people feel differently about it, and I respect that they have their own legitimate reasons for using it.”
That is kind of my point. If you don’t use Premiere Pro daily how can you claim FCPX is a vastly superior program? That same claim is made daily by several FCPX users and they don’t use Premiere Pro either.
How many times do you see a Premiere Pro editor say Premiere Pro is vastly superior to FCPX? How many times do you see Avid users say Avid is vastly superior to FCPX?
I am not a fan of FCPX’s GUI nor are a lot of people but we don’t say the GUI of FCPX is cringe worthy or hideous. That has been said about Premiere Pro many times. The titling system of Premiere Pro had the same bad rap until I proved that to be false.
[Gabriel Spaulding] “Having seen your last demo comparisons on this site, which had I think the unintended consequence of NOT making things any clearer, I think you would do well to remember your final statement:”
That is not my demo that I posted. It is just a video I seen on YouYube.
I have both FCPX and Premiere Pro. Have I ever claimed Premiere Pro is vastly superior to FCPX? I like using Premiere Pro but that is my preference. I think FCPX is a good program. I have stated that many times. Perhaps from now on maybe the over use of FCPX is vastly superior and much more flexible and allows me to edit in ways not possible in any other NLE will come to an end. For some people FCPX is not the best option. It is a NLE like all the rest. It has strengths and weaknesses just like the rest of them.
Instead of stating FCPX is leap and bounds better than Premiere Pro why not just state FCPX works better for my needs?
[Gabriel Spaulding] “I have not incorporated Premiere Pro into my current workflow because I dislike using it so much.”
As I have stated I have both FCPX and Premiere Pro and I don’t have the same feeling about Premiere Pro. What does that tell us? Do you kind of see my point?