[Aindreas Gallagher]

I guess. Or it’s just a spoiler move? Doesn’t apple look a bit stupid with duck splashed on their FCPX page now? Given the state of things one could imagine adobe succumbing to kicking apple in the shins.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Gerald Baria] “personal fetishes”

mmokay.

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[Jeremy Garchow] “Just out of curiosity, you think FCP7 was much better? I guess I see it as opposite.”

interesting. yes, yes I think FCP7 with all its faults is a superior editing system.

tell me this much – do you prefer editing in the FCPX timeline or the FCP7 timeline?

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

yeah, thats really well put.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

Yeah, but – us having to throw things around in the finder to hide them from FCPX doesn’t negate the point that what we’re doing is trying to turn the DAM off, or manually turn off sets of events because its wrecking our heads, because it’s a stupid thing to have put front and centre in a single window editing app in the first place. why is the editing app simultaneously intended to function as a monolithic digital assets repository? why are my project assets in a sea of all the other assets there have ever been? Editorially, commercially, intellectually, that is just the stupidest, stupidest idea.
that we have a way to deal with it is separate from them having wedged the events DAM from a totally different application in in the first place.

I think its a mess and I don’t think they can fix it because its burnt in at the AV level. the kind of project container we had isn’t possible anymore I don’t think..

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[Jeremy Garchow] “You mean how the Events work.. or how they operate in FCPX”

i mean the basic fact that we’re dealing semantically with events as persistent entities, that default as time based events – it makes sense in photo applications because the items are singular and self similar, literally snapshots, and my understanding of what has taken place is based in part on my participation in it – it was an event, I took some photos at it. I am now doing some adjustments and storing them in my DAM.

If I walk into an editing house to do some freelance, or I’m handed a brief by my boss, the event that is taking place is me walking in the door, firing up FCP and setting the preferences appropriate for the project I’m being paid to cut and reading the brief – that’s the event. the idea that the first thing I see is everything that ever happened on that machine is nothing short of a joke. An editing system is a clean repeat machine – it is not supposed to function as a full blown persistent digital assets repository like iphoto or aperture – editing systems cycle repeatedly through new projects afresh – the idea that FCPX accretes everything constantly, every piece of media its ever used and every project that has been cut on it, and exposes all that to you unless you pay phillip hodgetts to turn it off is really annoying and deeply sad.

Its sad because its a stupid, stupid idea to do that to an editing system, even a single user system, its stupid – and all that means is that there isn’t much of a pro apps brain trust left in apple. I said above in the thread that there is stuff out there saying the XML spec is a mess – its barely documented, and it doesn’t even reliably carry DB levels. The whole thing just reeks of bad news brown.

If apple want a DAM they have to put it in back like adobe bridge – in terms of what’s actually going on in the top left of my application – its one of the things that is wrecking FCPX – if we pull the event DAM back out somehow maybe some space gets freed up up there and they can figure out how to fix all the filmstrip mess and the lack of a source monitor.

I personally think there are massive problems with this software. Big ol’ cracks running up all the supporting walls.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

I tiptoe in response jeremy.

no, sure of course, although I find the concept of easy a tricky one – how would you make maya easy? or architectural programs? aren’t they complex insofar as they represent complex tasks? Isn’t editing a fairly complex task?

but that’s not the thing – the contention that generic aspects of apple software from iphoto, imovie, mail, the finder, can be bolted together as craig has it there, and create a coherent application for something as specific as editing is something I have a very hard time swallowing.

Events are not appropriate, in my opinion, to editing, they are a straight unadorned drop in from a totally different apple programme that serves different purposes for different users, and they just plopped it into this programme, and given the crazy work arounds and hacks, i think its fair to say that it doesn’t work very well. And that’s where we’re supposed to put and find our stuff.
trying to develop out from the single track imovie timeline, with bodges like secondary storylines hasn’t maybe worked too great either.

It feels frankensteinish, to me at any rate, as an application. it feels misshapen. And there’s way too much chrome.
But I am a crotchety insane old man on that point. lots of people seem to like the look of it.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

and we’re supposed to call the result of all this an editing system?

also…

[Craig Seeman] ” I wouldn’t even be surprised if they replace Final Cut Server with a front end that looks like an amalgamation of all the above.”

what – you mean a future final cut server could look like a mash up of iPhoto, Aperture, iMovie and Mail??

craig, for gods sake please, that makeee no sense. no sense at all. what you are suggesting is insane..

its unholy.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Craig Seeman] “Apple creates ecosystems. They’re tying things together. “

no that’s wrong, a pic-n-mix grab bag of stuff does not equate to an eco-system, the eco-system is outside vendor stuff. that’s not the grab bag. the grab bag is a mess of concepts and approaches wedged in from other consumer apple software. We’ve got iphoto events, the imovie timeline, the yellow boxes I last saw making finger based selections on an iphone – it’s not an editing system, its a spliced together mess that doesn’t know what its trying to be.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

well quite, (he said calmly waving through his total lack of experience in the work scenarios described) – lord knows I am mortally locked to my ipad – it is about the single best computing device I’ve ever owned. bar the college performa – go gil amelio.

still – the idea that we can somehow start talking about how a troubled editing system is going to ride into the future, in part on the back of ten inch consumption devices, is lunacy?

FCPX, as a character, surely has its own problems to face before it ever considers reduced touch based scenarios. Having any film school choose to teach it say would be one. Its not all about 6″ macbook airs with 40GB per second straw lightning connections people.

it needs to be an inherently valid editing system first doesn’t it?
Have they produced an actually true editing system? does it feel like one? does it retain enough of the characteristics? When they set down to build this, given their broader concerns, does anyone actually think this was built for editors? or were they co-opting the editing process for their broader audience? didn’t they insert the digital asset management system from the other apps? the timeline from imovie? the yellow bounding boxes are most recently from mobile?

on some level why can’t we get the fact that they took the name and populated it with a number of parts from other apple consumer apps?

this isn’t an editing system, he said, wildly over the top, it’s a pick-n-mix grab bag of apple consumer technology to foster non traditional consumer software purchasing habits – as in – would joe bloggs drop the price of an ipod on supposedly accessible MTV Hollywood software, so that when he walked into it, it felt felt like most of iLife?

If this were so, then, given apple’s motivations here, let us all just continue to stand on this software’s neck.

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