Okay, after spending 14 hours straight trouble shooting today figured out the problem was a silly one… on our new Decklink SDI, the standard audio output setting for blackmagic (in FCP) is 48k 24 bit, changed that to 16 bit and problem solved, all the while we thought it was a ref problem, but it must have been the audio causing the red condition. Still dont know exactly why, but its working like a charm now with the beta ref set to input vid and no ref cable needed, thanks for the tip Margus, will get a sync gen when we can, not so easy to source in our part of the world though! If anyone can explain the tech reason 16 bit works and 24 bit doesn’t I would love to hear that to…