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  • XDCAM422 59.94P (23.98p) footage

    Posted by Daniel Frome on April 6, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    A fellow editor at my TV studio just got his first batch of footage. It looks like the footage is 24P, but held inside a 60P container. I’ve dealt with this similar issue with the DVCPROHD format, but never on XDCAM422. The exact specs are as follows:

    XDCAM422 (50mbps), 1280×720
    Framerate: 59.94p (23.98p)

    My question:

    If using these files in FCP, do we need to go through some kind of middle-step in order to see a true 24P picture? If so, what software/workflow have you fellow editors used to extract a 24P stream from this 60p container?

    Mark Maness replied 16 years, 5 months ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Mark Maness

    April 6, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    What will your final output be? Film or TV?

    I say this because TV cannot handle “true” 24p. It can handle 23.97 with pulldown but not “true” 24p. “True” 24p is strictly for film out. It looks like your video already has pulldown added so you’re fine for TV.

    Now, I have a question. Why 24p? Why not 30p? 24p will not give you any better picture on TV than shooting in 30p. As a mater of fact, 24p will give you stutters and 30p will not. I’m sure you know this, but I felt like I had to rehash this for those that do not.

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    Wayne Carey
    Schazam Productions
    https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
    schazamproductions@mac.com

  • Daniel Frome

    April 6, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Thanks for the response Wayne. Without getting too off topic, the project will see life in various sources (NTSC/PAL/Internet/DVD) and heavily relies on animation that is integrated with picture, which is being done at 23.98. Whether I personally like 24P, 30P, 60P, etc, is not the part of the equation. This is footage that has already been shot for the show and unfortunately was given to us in this less-than-ideal format. We would really like to stick to our plan to editing at 23.98 – as we do with all our animated TV shows. Hence the question if a solid workflow exists to get rid of extraneous frames in this 720p/59.94p (23.98p) format.

  • Mark Maness

    April 6, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Ok…. I don’t see that you have a problem, then. There’s nothing wrong with how the video was shot. Its still 59.94 (or 29.97). It doesn’t matter, but it DOES give you the option to edit 23.98.

    Just edit using 720p23.98 and hopefully your capture card will add the pulldown for you for monitoring. You don’t need to convert anything, just edit away.

    23.98 is really 59.94 with pulldown. This is done so you can edit and monitor your output. You cannot see a true 24p signal on a monitor. This is because of the electrical standards that we have before us. The US being 60hz and Europe being 50hz. Neither of these translate into true 24p without having stuttering issues. Thus, 23.98. This is close enough for 24p but with pulldown added to view on standard monitors. I could get in real depth, but all you need to know is that true 24p s for film only and 23.98 is for everything else. OK?

    _______________________________

    Wayne Carey
    Schazam Productions
    https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
    schazamproductions@mac.com

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