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  • XDCAM (SD) workflow -> broadcast deliveries

  • Francois Stark

    November 28, 2006 at 6:47 pm

    Regarding the previous threat last week about broadcast delivery standards for SD: Thanks for all your input. We have a Digibeta deck – out broadcaster does not accept it…

    It seems they want us to start moving to XDCAM for recording our multicam shoots in their large studios.

    Does anybody have experience using XDCAM SD with FCP? Which decks are available? Will we capture analogue or SDI from a deck into FCP, or is there a faster-than-realtime method of reading footage from XDCAM? Does FCP work with the native XDCAM recording formats or is there a post-conversion? What are the options?

    Thanks
    Francois

  • Mark Raudonis

    November 28, 2006 at 8:17 pm

    Francois,

    We’ve been using XdCAM for over a year now. Before that, we were using the IMX tape format. With hundreds of hours of network shows delivered, I’m very familiar with the off-line to on-line workflow with this format.

    To answer your questions: The FAM (File Access mode) is really only faster than realtime with the lower rez formats: DV is approximate 1.7 X and IMX 50 is just slightly faster than real time. Where you really pick up speed is by NOT tape shuttling and if you use Time Of Day timecode, then the FAM transfer mode is WAY faster.

    Go to sony’s web sitehttps://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplaySubCategory?m=10014&sm=0&p=16&sp=20133 and you’ll see your deck options.
    Basically there are two in the SD arena: PDW1500 and the PDWV1.

    Because FCP currently can NOT use the native “low res proxies” easily, we are forced to digitize realtime to create our own apple “Off-line RT” low res media. This sucks, ’cause we’re losing the advantage of the FAM. However, if you don’t anticipate this kind of “off-line to on-line” workflow, then FAM is your friend. There is a “Native” IMX codec that FCP works with, and you can use that. We however master everything at 8 bit uncompressed for GRFX reasons… then output to Digibeta for delivery.

    I like the XD-cam disc format, but the kind of seemless integration with off-line to on-line is NOT quite as simple with FCP as Sony would like you to believe. Only within the last year has the FAM software been available for the Mac. Hope this helps.

    Mark

  • Francois Stark

    November 28, 2006 at 9:09 pm

    Hi Mark

    Thanks for the discussion – few questions:

    In the file FCP_XDCAMHD_whitepaper.pdf, I see a FCP plugin that allows you to do your logging from the low-res proxy of each clip, and it also imports to FCP in the background. You can supposedly continue logging or working in the FCP project while it imports in the background.

    Why are you not using this? Is this workflow only available for the HD versions? Or is the plugin not stable yet? Why is TOD faster than standard timecode?

    We are doing post for TWO seperate daily half-hour soapies now… (one is still on AVID). Sourcing on beta SP currently and editing in DV format. We do a lot of subtitles (about 400 titles per 22 minute program), using inscriber and TGA files… So we mainly do some grading and subtitles – will the native IMX be better, or do we stay with DVCAM? We need a format that is rock solid and without surprises, with good RT performance. Delivery will still be on BetaSP for a while.

    Thanks
    Francois

  • Mark Maness

    November 28, 2006 at 10:01 pm

    Let me jump in here…

    [Francois Stark] “In the file FCP_XDCAMHD_whitepaper.pdf, I see a FCP plugin that allows you to do your logging from the low-res proxy of each clip, and it also imports to FCP in the background. You can supposedly continue logging or working in the FCP project while it imports in the background.”

    Sony has this already with the newest version of their Sony Transfer Software (1.1), will do exactly what you are looking for and in the background.

    [Francois Stark] “Why are you not using this? Is this workflow only available for the HD versions? Or is the plugin not stable yet? Why is TOD faster than standard timecode? “

    The plugin is fine. It uses and accepts all version of XDCAM SD and HD. It also allows for selecting audio channels to import and making sub-clips.

    [Francois Stark] “We are doing post for TWO seperate daily half-hour soapies now… (one is still on AVID). Sourcing on beta SP currently and editing in DV format. We do a lot of subtitles (about 400 titles per 22 minute program), using inscriber and TGA files… So we mainly do some grading and subtitles – will the native IMX be better, or do we stay with DVCAM? We need a format that is rock solid and without surprises, with good RT performance. Delivery will still be on BetaSP for a while.”

    I’ve been using XDCAM for little more than a year now without any surprises at all. Its been a long time coming from FCP to offer full XDCAM support, but now they have with version 5.1.2. IMX is a much better format than DVCAM. If you use the IMX50, your data rate is 50 mb/s, whereas DVCAM is still 25 mb/s. IMX50 has twice the data of DVCAM. Its rock solid and very stable. It even handles graphics pretty well.

    _______________________________

    Wayne Carey
    Schazam Productions
    http://www.schazamproductions.com

  • Francois Stark

    November 29, 2006 at 4:47 am

    Hi Wayne – thanks for all the answers.

    [Wayne Carey] ” It uses and accepts all version of XDCAM SD and HD”
    Just for interest sake – when using the PDW-D1 drive in File Access Mode, can it be used to access XDCAM HD footage?

    Thanks
    Francois

  • Andy Mees

    November 29, 2006 at 7:35 am

    hmmm…. thats an interesting idea. Strictly speaking its SD only and not at all compatible with HD, but if we’re doing one-way (D1 to FCP) file transfer only its conceivable that it might work.
    then again it might just spit the disk out if its not formatted correcty

  • Mark Maness

    November 29, 2006 at 5:43 pm

    [Francois Stark] “Just for interest sake – when using the PDW-D1 drive in File Access Mode, can it be used to access XDCAM HD footage?”

    Great idea, BUT, it wouldn’t work. The formatting of the discs are different. I’ve tried it and the machine will immediately give you an error message.

    _______________________________

    Wayne Carey
    Schazam Productions
    http://www.schazamproductions.com

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