Why so big a difference in “finished product” from one tv to another

[Joe Barta iv]

What are the;
Original footage capture settings?
Sequence settings in Premiere?
Settings used to make export file?

This information will to figure out you problem. Also, YouTube takes what you upload to and re-processes it to their system for playback, a lot can happen during that procedure.

Joe

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[Tero Ahlfors]

How exactly did it look awful? Compression? Color? There can be limitations on the smart tv app (eg. resolution might be capped) and there’s probably a bunch of technical differences between your televisions.

[Chris Wright]

i would guess that since it looks ok on your color managed monitor, the TV needs some calibration. do both the TV and it’s internet apps look ok except the youtube clip?

if it’s just the new clip, you could try AE’s utility profile converter and burn in rec 709.(0-255) (since youtube isn’t color managed)

[Tero Ahlfors]

You might also want to listen to this: https://soundcloud.com/mixinglight/mail-bag-ep1-part2

[Duke Sweden]

Wow, from nothing to 4 responses to respond to. OK…

Joe Barta IV: The original footage is just my son and me, h264, green screened against a picture of a parking garage. Sequence settings are the same as always, 1080p 23.976 fps, square pixels. Not sure what else to include. Export settings same as always, h264, min bitrate 30 mbps.

I know about youtube compression, but the youtube video looked almost the same as the original footage on my computer “monitor”, nowhere near the same on my bedroom tv. The greenscreen images of my son and me were overly sharp, and the effect of the “lighting” was non-existent, compared to the video I included in this thread. Also, I’ve watched other people’s videos on the tv app and they look fine. It has to be my (lack of) post production skills.

Tero: I added “Lights” in After Effects which you can see in the included video, which don’t show up on the bedroom tv. They’re there but there’s no shadows cast on my son like in the video above. And, as I stated above, the green screen footage was way too oversharpened, which is not evident on the above video (on my computer monitor, anyway). I’m sure there’s a bunch of technical differences between tv’s but that brings me back to my original question. How do you compensate for that to ensure your video looks good regardless what tv it’s playing on?

P.S. I will listen to that link you provided.

Chris Wright: I didn’t know about this profile converter. I’ll try it out. As for calibration, neither tv has been calibrated (I’ve never calibrated my tv’s, I do it by eye and get satisfactory results). But if I’m watching a tv show downstairs, then go to my bedroom to watch the rest of it, I don’t think “Ew, man, that looks terrible!” The same show on all 4 tv’s looks basically the same, nowhere near as drastic a difference as I saw with this video.

[Tero Ahlfors]

[Duke Sweden] “How do you compensate for that to ensure your video looks good regardless what tv it’s playing on?”

You calibrate your work/reference monitor to the REC 709 specification. Also turn off all automagic “image enhancements” from the TVs and try to calibrate them. You can’t do anything about other people’s viewing conditions and that’s pretty much what the link I posted is about.

[Duke Sweden] “I’ve never calibrated my tv’s, I do it by eye and get satisfactory results”

Eyes are great relative tools but pretty bad when it comes to absolutes. That’s where colori/spectrometers come in.

[Duke Sweden]

Thanks, Tero. I have to admit I have noticed in the past work done by professionals that looks terrible (commercials that are too flat or shows that are too contrasty), so it’s not just me, and it’s not such an easy thing to perfect. Cheers.

[Tero Ahlfors]

[Duke Sweden] “commercials that are too flat or shows that are too contrasty”

These are artistic choices that are made by the director or the cinematographer and usually not technical flaws. The whole low contrast-look seems to be some new (and IMO quite dumb) trend.

[Duke Sweden]

I know what you’re talking about and I agree, but the examples I’m talking about go beyond “artistic license” into just plain bad. I think the old H&R Block commercials from a year or two ago are a good example.

[Shane Ross]

There is no way to color correct something that will look good on ALL TVs. Because you have no control over how those other TVs are set up. Walk into Best Buy…look at the wall of TVs. Normally they all play the same thing, so you can judge which one you watch. Note that most of them don’t display the image in the same way. There’s a color difference between them.

So there’s nothing you can do other than make sure it looks good on a properly calibrated monitor. How others see it is up to them.

Shane
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