-
Why is there a project library?
-
Dupe post, sorry
-
[Charlie Austin] “What problems have you had with X2Pro?”
X2Pro does not support linked files from QuickTime and AIF sources. Only embedded AAFs, which are problematic for the particular mixer I work with. Also, this facility doesn’t own X2Pro. I have it personally, but on my home system. In the tests I’ve done with another mixer, the AAFs also bring across blank clips that I wouldn’t want to include, like the muted tracks from B-Roll that I’ve cut across as a/v clips, but muted the audio. By going to FCP7, I can troubleshoot any potential issues for the mixer and deliver a reliable OMF.
[Charlie Austin] “The EDL’s are very accurate, but it doesn’t add the notes details telling the online guys what filters etc you’ve applied to clips. I wish i didn’t need EDL’s, but I do. That sort of interchange with other NLE’s, particularly AVID finishing systems, is the biggest roadblock for me in getting everyone here to switch.”
I personally have EDL-X and like it, but again, not available here. The irony is that I’m working with an A-list color correction house running Resolve. But, because it’s on Linux, they have less issues with EDLs than XMLs or AAFs.
[Charlie Austin] “On an unrelated note, I DL’d the trial of MC 6.5 just to see how it’s progressed since I last used it. It reminded me of working in X storylines. 😉 Also… there sure are a lot of buttons. lol”
I like MC6.5. Rock solid, but the AMA workflow is still a work-in-progress.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com -
[Oliver Peters] “In the tests I’ve done with another mixer, the AAFs also bring across blank clips that I wouldn’t want to include, like the muted tracks from B-Roll that I’ve cut across as a/v clips, but muted the audio. By going to FCP7, I can troubleshoot any potential issues for the mixer and deliver a reliable OMF.”
FWIW, I think thats fixed in the latest version. Anything muted in the inspector isn’t included in the AAF. It would be nice if they could get the AAF’s to support linked files. X2Pro AAF’s will open and populate a timeline in Logic, but there’s no audio in the clips.:-(
I find Xto7 has bigger issues with this, as well as with multitrack source clips. I’m currently on a gig that’s got 6 channel sources, and the sequences that pop up in 7 after translation are uh… interesting. If I’ve used a stereo FX track in X, I get all 6 tracks, linked, in 7. PITA…
————————————————————-
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
-
[Douglas K. Dempsey] “At that point, if I collapse the entire movie into a compound, e.g. “Entire movie v1.0” — haven’t I just committed the “no-no” of nesting a bunch of compounds within one mega-compound?”
For me, I wouldn’t compound the movie. I take the individual scenes/reels/etc timelines and cut them to the “full movie” timeline (as a Project) and not compound. Either break apart or copy-paste. This way I have the complete film accessible.
I do not want to have compounds for this part, because often I make changes in this final timeline and I don’t want any interaction to occur between the compound and the “child” timeline. I also want to get to all the pieces at once. No stepping in and stepping out.
I do see having tons of SFX/music/VO clips to be problematic if not compounded, because of how connected clips bounce around vertically. There needs to be a cleaner solution, like the “zones” idea of past threads.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com -
[Oliver Peters] “I do see having tons of SFX/music/VO clips to be problematic if not compounded, because of how connected clips bounce around vertically. There needs to be a cleaner solution, like the “zones” idea of past threads.”
I’m with you on that. I found that using a single, long, silent audio clip to separate roles works in a pinch. Hopefully we’ll be able to group roles at some point….
————————————————————-
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
-
Well, agreed. That was my point, my workflow is to string all “scenes” or reels in a timeline as the entire movie, and THAT is what I save as a Project in the Project Library. If I want to save a version with the scenes shuffled around, I create a new project, paste in everything, do my shuffle, and THAT becomes another version of the movie, in my Project Library. THAT is what I thought the Project Library was good for, and am just asking if I am warping FCPX workflow to my older FCP7 preconceptions. Agree about zones concept.
Doug D
-
I think its basically been stated elsewhere, but broadly: Apple created a monster with Compound Clips. One that it could never put back in its cage.
I dont think they ever originally intended Compound Clips to take on the life that they have. Remember they didn’t even use to populate themselves in an event after creation in a project till after 10.0.6. There was also a time when doing certain things to compound clips directly in the event and not a project didn’t work right, color correction i remember at one point was pretty broken. But Compound Clips fix so many annoyances that separate projects for every sequence iteration has.
How silly is it with each duped project requires its own set of render files to point too? Not with compound clips in an event. They are the missing link to rough cut editing and iterating.
So i think it was said best elsewhere, they’ve been undoing a few things since 10.0 and I’m all for it.
I hope next iteration brings back tracks that you can give dedicated role assignments too. Tracks 1-2 always get audio associated with a Dialogue role. 3,4 always automatically get Music role edited there, etc. Then toggle it so that this only persists with inserts and overwrites are made but when Q is used the video and audio get put into their own outside space until you decide where you want it to go. something like that….
Director, Editor, Colorist
http://www.trsociety.com -
I’m waiting for D Lawrence to weigh in on this discussion.
-
[Charlie Austin] “I concur. Alex4D did a post a while ago about some “hidden” code in X pertaining to a collaborative workflow. I think it’s coming.”
What I find most perplexing about FCPX is that there is file level SAN support built right in to the app. It seems to promote sharing in a way that is certainly different from FCP7 and Pr, and is closer to Avid with different parts of the encompassing project available on the Finder level. It also seems incomplete/underpowered. The frustrating thing is that it allows a crucial function that you can’t get with local drives, and that is SAN Locations. There is less need for something like Event Manager X when you have SAN Locations.
Using FCPX tools, you can media manage Projects to new Events. As a matter of fact, it’s a really good way to trim Events down to a more manageable size and send it somewhere. You can’t do this with compounds as easily. Granted, these functions might not serve every editor’s workflow, but they are useful.
Let us not forget that Compound Clips have been given a huge make over since 10.0.0. Since 10.0.6, their functionality has improved, but not only that, they have completely changed in scope as well as function. Compound clips, were in fact, flawed in the beginning of FCPX. They would simply bring all things to a halt so much so that they were borderline unusable.
Now, they are a very functional organizational tool, as well as an edit tool. They can ripple changes across any Project that has them. They have been given the same ability as Multiclips in the edits can be “healed” (make a cut, then delete that cut). They have allowed a very fast “versioning” system. And perhaps most importantly, the performance allows them to actually be used.
[Oliver Peters] “It also seems hard (impossible?) to remove render files from the Event through the UI.”
Single click Event, File > Delete Event Render Files.
Picture:
Results in this:
-
[Nicholas Kleczewski] “I hope next iteration brings back tracks that you can give dedicated role assignments too. Tracks 1-2 always get audio associated with a Dialogue role. 3,4 always automatically get Music role edited there, etc. Then toggle it so that this only persists with inserts and overwrites are made but when Q is used the video and audio get put into their own outside space until you decide where you want it to go. something like that….”
Ahh… nooo! 😉 All they need to do is let you group roles and all this track talk can end. You can add all the specific roles you want and they’ll stay together. Done. D1, D2, D3, FX 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 etc. Fixed tracks, and the inevitable clip collisions that come with them, suck. 😛
————————————————————-
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up