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Why doesn’t FCP have an Undo History List?
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Absolutely. Playback to check tape, only for wuzes. And this video assist thing on film cameras, that’s just for the little girly men.
All the best,
Tom
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[David Roth Weiss] “Sorry Rafael, but Discreet Edit had up to 99 levels of undo with a complete undo history, and it was end of lifed nearly eight years ago. So, FCP is indeed way, way, way behind on this one”
David,
When I started with this, video editors still smell glue. and had a cuter in the desk. I don’t know if Autodesk did even exist, but UNDO wasn’t even in the imagination.
The first thing that you learnt in postproduction, was to plan your steps because normally was no way back. And we see everyday that even the FCs Undo are of not of any help if you have started wrong. Brain is better.
About the Photoshop History, you get basically the same if you use properly the Autosave in FC.
rafael
PS: I did my first edits with these huge desktop U-Matic LB.
No way way to control them: REC and hit the PLAY in the correct moment.
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[Rafael Amador] “When I started with this, video editors still smell glue. and had a cuter in the desk. I don’t know if Autodesk did even exist, but UNDO wasn’t even in the imagination.”
So true. We had two tape decks side by side at CNN. Undo was never heard of, you just started over.
Did you ever work with D2 and the Pre-Read function? You would get about 10 layers into the composite and THEN the Producer would say, “You know that layer we added about 5 layers ago? I’d like to change that…..”
I’ve said for quite some time that Non-Linear Editing systems have saved the life of many a Producer, they just don’t realize it.
I’ve also said that that the best editors I’ve met are those who started out cutting on linear systems.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author.
HD Post and Production
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[walter biscardi] “I’ve also said that that the best editors I’ve met are those who started out cutting on linear systems.”
That is because we had to do things manually. I also believe we have a better understanding on how non-linear edit systems work.
Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
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Fcp has 99 levels of undo. I think it’s plenty. If you want to try something new, duplicate a timeline and work off the duplicate. If you don’t like it, simply go back to the other one.
Wait til you try Color. You have one Undo. Use it wisely.
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Matt,
I agree with you 100%. If you look back to FCP v3 or 4, undo history list was one of the top 5 feature requests back then. But people have either forgotten about it, learned to live with this omission, or am just being argumentative here. If we ever get an Undo history list, I doubt any FCP user on this planet would say, “No, this is terrible. Why did they add this? I like guessing what I’m undoing.” I’ve been leaving feedback on apple’s site since 2002 about an undo history list. And to be clear, every other NLE out there has an undo list.
If they can’t add an undo palette, then at least list the last undo so I can see what i’m undoing one step at a time. But yes, please leave them feedback. Maybe they’ve blocked my email from their feedback page…lol.
CHL
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Fcp has 99 levels of undo. I think it’s plenty. If you want to try something new, duplicate a timeline and work off the duplicate. If you don’t like it, simply go back to the other one.”
That’s precisely what we do here. I honestly have no need for an “Undo” history, we just duplicate timelines when we make changes here and it works really well.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author.
HD Post and Production
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Hi Chi-ho Chee,
I thing that UNDO is great when, for example, you have deleted something by mistake.
Our work is normally very repetitive. The actions list normally would be something like: Trim, Trim, trim, or Key-frame-key-frame, key-frame..50 times.
To tweak things and be able to go back, duplicating is the way.
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[Rafael Amador] “To tweak things and be able to go back, duplicating is the way.”
Sorry, but that’s just plain silly. What about that one time you’re so focused on some new storytelling technique that you forget? The bottom line is, undo history is a great addition to any app, and anyone arguing against it just doesn’t know any better for just one reason, because they’ve never had it in their editing app. No one who has had an NLE with it would ever give it up.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
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