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Why do you think a new Mac Pro ISN’T coming?
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[Herb Sevush] “Massive computing power is not enough. It needs massive (up to 64GB) memory and it needs lots of PCIe Lanes – enough for multiple 16 lane graphics cards and multiple 8 Lane storage and i/o devices. An Imac with a few Tbolt ports won’t cut it, no matter how fast the CPU.”
You are looking at the wrong computer company if you’re looking at Apple.
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[Jeremy Garchow] ”
You are looking at the wrong computer company if you’re looking at Apple.”EXACTLY! They are no longer in it for the raw computing power we need to get work done. We now have PCs for that. Although HP almost got out of the personal computing biz. Until smart people fired the CEO who said that…
Shane
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[Jeremy Garchow] “You are looking at the wrong computer company if you’re looking at Apple.”
Why? I just described the MacPro circa 2010. If there going to make a workstation, how could it not fit that description?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “Why? I just described the MacPro circa 2010.”
Multiple 16 lane GPUs and multiple 8 lane PCIe channels?
A macpro has never had that, my man.
Wishful thinking.
I’m not saying it never will, but it never has had those specs you are requesting.
Seriously, look to get a PC, or at least wait until WWDC in a few weeks.
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[Alan Okey] “Xserve RAID and Xserve were perfect examples of this reality.”
Was the XServe Raid high end?
Around the turn of the millennium, I remember I bought a 5 drive PATA 4Gb Fibre channel raid from Huge Systems that could out perform the 10 drive 2Gb XServe Raid.
I’ll get guff for this, but Apple has never been in the CPU speed race. I think this might be why a MacPro hasn’t been refreshed. I also think there’s some technical limitations with thunderbolt. Being it’s PCIe AND displayport, can thunderbolt reside in a MacPro? It makes sense for portables, but does it make sense in a machine that can handle more than that? If not, doesn’t that throw off Apple’s whole game?
Let’s say they are going to release a new one with those fancy new intel procs. They have been announced from HP, but have other companies announced plans for them? Has HP actually started shipping them? I am asking because I have no idea, and trying to configure an HP workstation on hp.com is really f*cking confusing. Sorry, but it is. Perhaps Apple doesn’t have all the parts they need to build a MacPro, and those new processors have hit real life delays.
Just like the Thunderbolt adoption, there seems to be a reason it hasn’t been adopted faster and that’s parts and getting them in quantity.
And do we think the prices of a MacPro are going to go down? No, the price of CPUs has actually gone up.
I am in the camp that Apple will release a MacPro equivalent. I don’t know what the form factor is going to be. I imagine it will be built to sell to the middle of the bell curve, and not the relatively flat ends.
Selling the 15,000 Facebook likes probably wouldn’t pay for the cost of a redesign. We have seen what Facebook is worth on the free market.
If the rumor is true they are dumping the 17″ laptop because it sold a paltry 50,000 “copies” will they ramp up to sell a third of that volume in a MacPro?
Would you?
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[Shane Ross] “EXACTLY! They are no longer in it for the raw computing power “
They never were in it for the raw computing power.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Multiple 16 lane GPUs and multiple 8 lane PCIe channels? A macpro has never had that, my man.”
Your right, I misspoke. The MacPro has 2×16 lane and 2×4 lane. You would think that if they are continuing the MacPro line they could up that a mite considering 2 years have past and what’s available on the PC side.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Seriously, look to get a PC, or at least wait until WWDC in a few weeks.”
I very seriously wish I could switch to a PC now, but neither PPro nor Avid fits my needs at the moment. I’m stuck with Legacy for another year, I need to add another Raid and the cheapest answer would be a Mac Pro that could handle the additional PCIe lanes. I’m guessing it’s not to be. There might be a Hackintosh in my future.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] ” very seriously wish I could switch to a PC now, but neither PPro nor Avid fits my needs at the moment. I’m stuck with Legacy for another year, I need to add another Raid and the cheapest answer would be a Mac Pro that could handle the additional PCIe lanes. I’m guessing it’s not to be. There might be a Hackintosh in my future.”
OK, so if you’re sticking to FCP Legend, what are you going to do with multiple GPUs and multiple I/O on a 32bit application that won’t see but one of each and barely touches the GPU as it is?
What kind of raid do you have now? SAS?
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I was thinking about Macs and power. Ignoring the irony that the most successful clone that Apple killed was Power Computing, remember the “Supercomputer on a chip” campaign from 1999? Introduced by SJ at the SEYBOLD SEMINARS no less! Contemporary reporting here, which is well worth being reminded of.
Since then, they’ve offered a lot of compelling reasons to buy Macs – none of ’em power…which is GOOD. That’s not their game anymore.
Not to keep banging this drum, but the current Mac Pro supports 64GB RAM…compared to 512GB with the HP Z820. 512GB! I had to doublecheck that it wasn’t a typo. Apple might double their RAM support, but increase it by EIGHT TIMES?
Likewise slots. Z820:3 PCI Express 16, a couple of Gen 3 8s, a Gen 2 8, and a legacy PCI for a total of 7)…but you knew that. How many more slots is it likely for Apple to add? More than double? Really?
Anyway, a dozen new posts have come in since I started writing this, and I keep revising trying to catch up…but you’ve mostly caught up. 🙂
To the rest of the class, I think it’s one thing to say that you want more than iMac…which is what I think you’re saying, Herb (and others)…and one thing to say that you’d rather eat your arm than buy a PC (I read that earlier today, but forget who said it)…but it’s another thing to expect “massive computing power” from Apple relative to anything but iMacs and Apple laptops.
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[Alan Okey] “I won’t reveal my sources, but like Shane said, I have heard from reputable people at reputable companies that deal directly with Apple.
The iMac is going to be the new high-end machine in Apple’s lineup. No new Mac Pro, no replacement “other” product.”
Maybe that Tim Cook “double down” on secrecy means just flat out “lying”. You know, to throw off the scent, or perhaps to find the rat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDTRyjMnDOk
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