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  • Why am I getting such bad aliasing on my fonts in this .VEG file??? (link provided)

     Tevya Washburn updated 16 years ago 4 Members · 14 Posts
  • rickm1

    May 1, 2006 at 8:43 pm

    Below is the link to my veggie:

    I can’t figure out why I have the aliasing so bad along the edges of the fonts, especially when you blow up the video full screen, or, by simply rendering the project out to NTSC-DVD, best quality, on the T.V., the fonts look like a turd on a stick. Any ideas why? I thought I had this font thing figured out but obviously not. What is the best way to get rid of the jaggies?

  • Tevya Washburn

    May 2, 2006 at 4:30 am

    Are you actually rendering it out? Or are you just preview rendering? Sometimes a simple setting like “simulate device aspect” can make text and other things look jaggy and poor, but it’s not actually that way, just appears as such. Once you render out to DVD, or better yet, to square pixel for web or something, it should look fine.

    –the Fiddler

  • rob mack

    May 3, 2006 at 5:04 am

    I don’t have an NTSC monitor attached to my computer right now but I suppose if I did, and I was outputing the picture over firewire, I’d see jaggies. That would be because of DV25 compression.

    The mpeg is another matter. I rendered this with the DVDArchitect template and it looks pretty good. Again, if you are prviewing it out of your computer over firewire then it has to convert it to DV25 and you’ll see jaggies.

    Rob Mack

  • rickm1

    May 3, 2006 at 3:24 pm

    I decided that I am making mountains out of mole-hills with the font edge, but I changed my font to from Arial Black, to Arial, then added Bold & Italics. It looks much better

    However I am now completely frustrated with how DVDA3.0c re-compresses my Menu Video every time, no matter how I choose to render from Vegas. (In DVDA, the only thing I add to the screen is Empty buttons that have no text, which lie on top of my graphics that I made in vegas. Also, I have been rendering the footage in Vegas as Progressive and it does look better that way). Anyway, when I render in Vegas with the DVDA NTSC Video Stream (progressive only) and the .AC3 Audio separately, the audio doesn’t get re-compressed, but the video does *every time*. Very frustrating. Does re-compressing the menu in dvda degrade the quality, or am I just worrying about something I don’t need to?

  • Tevya Washburn

    May 3, 2006 at 4:10 pm

    No, your concerns are not unfounded. Recompression does do a number on quality. The reason it’s recompressing your menu video and not the audio, is because it has to add the control buttons to the video in order to make them a part of the DVD. The audio doesn’t get changed, so there’s no need for recompression. The solution is simple, just render your menu video out as an DV .AVI or a completely lossless compression like Huffyuv. Then put it in DVDA, and let it compress it to MPEG2 (only compress once). This way you’re not compressing it twice. You can still do progressive if you like, which I’ve found helps, but now I can’t remember if you should select the “reduce interlace flicker” option when you use progressive.

    –the Fiddler

  • rickm1

    May 3, 2006 at 4:34 pm

    Now I’m confused as I seem to be getting conflicting advice. On the other forum, I received the following from Keith Kolbo:

    Yes, most video you would render as interlaced for NTSC TV’s, but when you are going to a DVD and the video will be used as a menu background, trust me, render it progressive. Also render it straight from the Vegas time-line to MPEG. Do not render it to DV and then encode it to MPEG. Your text will look a lot better that way. If you must render a menu background to interlaced, which risks playback problems for the last frame of the menu on some DVD players, search the DVDA help file for the “render menu to progressive” switch and turn it off. It is on by default and it will rerender your video causing a loss of quality.

    Maybe I’m confused with his reply, but it seems to me he’s saying to render it to DVDA NTSC video stream (MPEG) whereas you are saying the opposite. This is frustrating…. Is there no general consensus on this situation?

  • rob mack

    May 3, 2006 at 4:42 pm

    Forget about rendering to DV25. The lossless choice would be good.

    Fiddler’s strategy is to just give DVDa source files and let it do the rendering. If you do that, start with good source renders. DV25 isn’t one of them because it tears up text.

    You’re going to have to experiment a little and build up your own expertise.

    Rob Mack

  • Edward Troxel

    May 3, 2006 at 4:43 pm

    Menus will ALWAYS be recompressed – it has to to add all your buttons. That’s why I recommend rendering menu footage out to DV-AVI (or, if you really want and it’s really short – uncompressed) for the menus. Then make sure you have your menus set to render as progressive on the DVD.

    Edward Troxel
    JETDV Scripts

  • rickm1

    May 3, 2006 at 11:03 pm

    Wow this is frustrating. I rendered with all of the settings and my fonts look like crap!!!! I must be doing wrong here. Surely this can’t be the best one can do with fonts for DV.

    I pulled out my Nikon N70 and took a quick snapshot of the preview window, (in Auto-Preview) mode. Then I took a picture how the DVD looks on my T.V. after rendering progressive mode, best quality, etc. as per all of the instructions here. I can’t help but think something is terribly wrong….

    Check out these two photos here:

    I wondered if it was my pc, so I saved the project on to my laptop and rendered it from Vegas on my laptop. What I’ve noticed is that the rendered video looks great, but as soon as I pull it into DVDA, it is awful. And I mean it looks awful right ON THE SCREEN OF DVDA before I choose to render/prepare my DVD. What I see on screen in DVDA, once I set the background video to the redendered mpg, is actually what I’m getting on the DVD as the final product, but it looks terrible.

    I started playing with DVDA’s fonts, and I noticed that if I used the same font as in Vegas, and then overlayed text objects on top of the video so that the words lined up, that my font looked better. It looks like the problem is the Outline that I’m using in vegas. So what I want to know is, is it just plain bad practice to use the Font Outline option in Vegas for a menu that’s going to be used in DVDA, or am i doing something wrong? (Why would Sony/sonic foundry give us the option of doing a font outline if it would look like garbage on the DVD?)

  • rob mack

    May 3, 2006 at 11:10 pm

    First off, not everything in the world goes to DVD so the question of why they’d let you do it if it looks bad on a dvd is kind of pointless.

    So you’re saying the text looks jaggy in DVDA, on your computer screen (in addition to looking bad on a TV)?

    How are you going about playing things on a TV? Are you burning a DVD and then playing it on a DVD player? or are you looking at output from DVDa output to a TV over firewire?

    Rob Mack

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