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  • Walter Biscardi

    June 19, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    [Jason Diebler] “It makes the most sense as a filter, and the easiest way to understand filters (for me) is to think back to grade school math – The PEMDAS rule. 4×3-2 is not the same as 3-2×4. Order of operations. “

    Math? MATH?!? You’re bringing MATH into a video discussion?!? AAUUUGGGHHHH!!!!! That’s why I got into video production in the first place, I don’t do math…… 🙂

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    Biscardi Creative Media
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  • Jason Diebler

    June 19, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    [Walter Biscardi] “Math? MATH?!? You’re bringing MATH into a video discussion?!? AAUUUGGGHHHH!!!!! That’s why I got into video production in the first place, I don’t do math…… :-)”

    I hate math too, that’s why I stop at grade school level math 🙂

    But seriously, video is pretty much ALL math. It’s the incredibly brilliant engineers and coders that put FCP and like programs together, and then us “creatives” come along and complain that FCP isn’t running on the iPhone yet, or that our filters should do this or that. I’m still in complete awe that we have the tools we have. It’s all magic to me! I’m just happy I get to wield the wand. I feel like Mickey Mouse in Fantasia.

  • Herb Sevush

    June 19, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Walter –

    What does the “levels” filter do and what settings do you use for final broadcast delivery?

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions

  • Andrew Kimery

    June 19, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Tom,

    While I totally understand how much of a PITA all these HD formats can be (I routinely mix and match a half dozen different formats where I work) I also understand why there are so many formats and the growing pains the camera industry is currently going through right now. I think in a few more years things will settle down a bit as flash storage will get big enough, and cheap enough, that shooters will be able to have long record times using high quality I-frame only codecs recorded onto a medium that is inexpensive enough to be shot once and shelved like videotape. But until we get to that point there will be more compromises to deal with. But, hey, at least it’s not as bad as when all production was shot on film. 😉

    Every format that’s out there today exists to fill a hole in the market. Which on one hand is great for shooters because they can really pick the best tool for their budget and needs. It’s not so great for post though.

    -A

    EDIT: OT, I don’t have a problem w/the B’cast safe filter following the order of operations rules like the other filters do, but having it be a sequence setting (like it is in Color) would be an improvement.

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  • Walter Biscardi

    June 19, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    [Herb Sevush] “Walter –

    What does the “levels” filter do and what settings do you use for final broadcast delivery? “

    It’s the other half of Broadast Safe. Can’t apply one without the other.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    Biscardi Creative Media
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  • Michael Gissing

    June 19, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Before we get dewy eyed about the simplicity of the past and bemoan the growing complexity of the future, lets not forget the myriad film formats – 8mm, super8, 9.5mm, 16mm single/double perf, super 16, 35mm 2perf/4perf, 65mm, 70mm, IMAX, Showscan etc (I know I have forgotten some beauties)

  • Jerry Alto

    June 20, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Tom- You hit the nail on the head with the format wars and I have my opinion of where it started. Sony had a lock on the production standard with Betacam. Then they became greedy.

    Hey guys we’ve got a lock on the market so let’s roll out Digital Betacam. Let’s see. What shall we charge for our entry level DigiBeta camera…… HOW ABOUT $70,000 (without a lens)!

    Talk about opening Pandora’s Box on formats!

    The rest is history. Oh, and then on the consumer level…. wasn’t there a product called Walkman?

    I feel better now.

    Jerry

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  • Alexander Kallas

    June 21, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Just to ask the obvious here,
    1. Does the Range Check tool ensure the media is Broadcast safe?
    2. Do adjustments eg to Gamma settings in encoders for m2v blow out Broadcast safe media?

    Cheers
    Alexander

  • Rafael Amador

    June 21, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Broadcast Safe makes only sense as a safe guard after properly setting the levels with any other tool. You can always miss a illegal peak.
    I put it always the last filter, whatever I have before.
    [Alexander Kallas] “2. Do adjustments eg to Gamma settings in encoders for m2v blow out Broadcast safe media? “
    MPEG-2 clips everything on top of 239 and under 16.
    BTW I think that with more and more video for the web is great that cameras give a value on top of 100% (239).
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • R Walter

    June 26, 2009 at 9:12 am

    Does it matter whether broadcast safe and levels are applied to each individual clip in a sequence or to a nested sequence as a whole.? I see both recommended in this thread.

    Thanks

    Roland Walter

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