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  • Geert Van den berg

    October 22, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    There’s already several tools that can do this. It won’t be a 1:1 conversion, but that neither would be if you import a FCP XML v5 into another NLE.

  • Liam Hall

    October 22, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    You can stick all the features you like into FCX, but if Apple are to regain credibility they have to start openly communicating with professional users.

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

  • Phil Brockett

    October 22, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Jobs was widely quoted saying the layoffs were in “support not engineering.” These terms are pretty vague in the software development field and may have different meanings for different companies. Only Apple (and those laid off) know. Even if they were in “QA/support”, do a google search with “layoff final cut apple” and see what you get. It’s pretty clear looking back that something very serious was happening with Final Cut Pro 7. I don’t know, Final Cut Pro X may indeed be “amazing,” but is it amazing in a good way? I don’t know the answer to that.

    I am not a “pro editor” but all the audio issues in FCPX discussed earlier are a non starter. The interlinking between FCPX and Motion make me worry if I were to try to use Motion 5 for a complex composite with large HD files. The list is long and I don’t want to be repetitive.

  • John Davidson

    October 22, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    My base needs are:
    1. OMF export.
    2. External Monitor/Deck support with BM and AJA cards.
    3. Project archiving clarity. Maybe it’s easy, but I can’t figure it out till I’ve actually taken some time working on it, which can’t be done until 1 and 2 have been fixed.
    4. Upgrade old projects from FCP7.

    Every time I get a ‘out of memory’ error on FCP7, I get a little more ticked with Apple about FCPX. Back in the spring I made light of people’s fears, and I was wrong. In the summer I advised patience for updates to fix it by August, and I was wrong again. Now, I don’t even see the point of thinking about this product anymore. We just have to live with FCP7 for now and hope, some day, X gets the attention is deserves.

    At least my new 4S is really cool. Sigh.

  • Bill Davis

    October 22, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    To answer the original question above is so simple as to be trivial.

    What would it take to make the people who use it happy? It must solve the editing problems they face. Period. End of story.

    X is for me, right now. But clearly not for everyone.

    If those problems revolve around large collaborative workflows, it’s going to take quite a while, IMO and the sensible thing to do is assess whether you can freeze your workflow as it is today in order to see if it evolves enough for you — or you have to switch software in order to do what you need to do as quickly as you need to do it.

    Modern LIFE is, after all, increasingly a constant, on-going learning curve.

    I’m enjoying what it does uniquely and differently – and the new capabilities it gives me in relation to the way I need to edit – mobility, agility, not being locked to my studio in order to produce useful work – those are the capabilities I see as enabling me to thrive in the future I want to peruse. For others, those things are low order priorities, and I get that.

    I also know that Life’s too short to live in unnecessary frustration — but it’s also too short to spend excessive time in what a professional speaker I know described in a recent seminar as “the amazingly popular new BMW” : Bitching, Moaning, and Whining!

    His message: things are NOT the same as they used to be. In the economy, in business, in life. If things are still doing fine for you – excellent. Keep doing what you’re doing – as long as you can – and if that means finding a replacement for what FCP no longer will be – do that.

    But if you start to see things aren’t going to continue working in ways that benefit what you need to do – dump them and move to something different. You finally have an alternate choice that doesn’t work the same.

    I’m firmly convinced I’ll know what’s good for me when I see it. I won’t have to have anyone else point that out. Because I’ve been making similar calls my entire career – and my track record has been largely successful in keeping with my personal skills and abilities.

    I’m moving ahead with X, cause it feels right for me. If it doesn’t for you – for any damn reason you can imagine – change.

    Couldn’t be simpler.

    “Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

  • David Roth weiss

    October 22, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    [Phil Brockett] “Jobs was widely quoted saying the layoffs were in “support not engineering.” These terms are pretty vague in the software development field and may have different meanings for different companies.”

    Forgetting about the layoffs momentarily, there was a rumor that the entire Motion team in Santa Monica, who were also working on the rebuild of FCP, were pulled off that job, for over a year so they could be put into service creating graphics for the iPad, just so Apple could get it out the door faster.

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor/Colorist
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles
    https://www.drwfilms.com

    Don’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
    https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.

  • David Roth weiss

    October 22, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    [John Davidson] ” In the summer I advised patience for updates to fix it by August, and I was wrong again. Now, I don’t even see the point of thinking about this product anymore. We just have to live with FCP7 for now and hope, some day, X gets the attention is deserves.”

    Wow!!! That is without a doubt the biggest reversal to date in the history of FCPX. You might want to consider purchasing body armor John.

    Was their one specific event that was the turning point for you?

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor/Colorist
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles
    https://www.drwfilms.com

    Don’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
    https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.

  • Chris Harlan

    October 22, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    [Bill Davis] “X is for me, right now. But clearly not for everyone.”

    We know.

    [Bill Davis] “I also know that Life’s too short to live in unnecessary frustration — but it’s also too short to spend excessive time in what a professional speaker I know described in a recent seminar as “the amazingly popular new BMW” : Bitching, Moaning, and Whining!”

    FYI–You do an awful lot of bitching, moaning and whining about other people’s bitching, moaning and whining. This thread is about people making a list of small things that would make FCP X useable for them. That seems to me a positive thing. Why are you BMWing it?

    [Bill Davis] “I’m moving ahead with X, cause it feels right for me. If it doesn’t for you – for any damn reason you can imagine – change.

    Couldn’t be simpler.”

    Really? So we shouldn’t talk about things that we feel might improve the program? Just totally accept it or go? Sounds a bit defeatist to me. You’ve got to stop all that BMW and start looking on the bright side of things.

  • Bill Davis

    October 22, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    [Chris Harlan] “[Bill Davis] “X is for me, right now. But clearly not for everyone.”

    We know.

    Good. Then I’m doing the job I want to do. Providing a voice for the people who come here and might enjoy reading multiple perspectives.

    [Bill Davis] “I also know that Life’s too short to live in unnecessary frustration — but it’s also too short to spend excessive time in what a professional speaker I know described in a recent seminar as “the amazingly popular new BMW” : Bitching, Moaning, and Whining!”

    FYI–You do an awful lot of bitching, moaning and whining about other people’s bitching, moaning and whining. This thread is about people making a list of small things that would make FCP X useable for them. That seems to me a positive thing. Why are you BMWing it?

    See above. Same answer. I’ve got no problem with threads like this, by the way. I just like to provide the counter-voice to the ones that constantly IMPLIE that FCP-X is somehow “broken.” when in fact, it’s not “broken” at all. Just not fully developed. Some readers here get that. Others, particularly those who aren’t as “deep” into the dissuasion as you and I, don’t see the balance. So I like to provide some.

    What’s wrong with that? This is a public discussion, not just the “pro editors clubhouse.” That’s important to remember.

    [Bill Davis] “I’m moving ahead with X, cause it feels right for me. If it doesn’t for you – for any damn reason you can imagine – change.

    Couldn’t be simpler.”

    Really? So we shouldn’t talk about things that we feel might improve the program? Just totally accept it or go? Sounds a bit defeatist to me. You’ve got to stop all that BMW and start looking on the bright side of things. “

    Talk all you like. And I’m not defeatist at all. I just understand in the un-moderated, free for all that is public discourse in the modern world, things are better if we get to see MULTIPLE perspectives.

    Are you saying that somehow mine is LESS valuable than anyone else’s?

    “Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

  • Phil Brockett

    October 22, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Rumors usually at least some basis in fact. I bet right now there is some DBA canditate pitching a proposed dissertation on this stuff to some marketing professor.

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