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  • What is FCPs render order? or render flow?

    Posted by Sam Zimman on March 8, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    What is FCPs render order? or render flow?
    After Effects is Interpret Footage, Masks, Effects (top to bottom), then Transform.
    Composite modes and mattes are added when the layers are put together bottom Up for 2D layers or closest to the camera for 3D layers.

    For FCP I know Speed is first and Composite mode is last. Effects are top to bottom. Is Motion Tab before or after Effects? Is the Motion tab rendered in the order that it is displayed (i.e. Motion before Crop)

    Real World Example:
    If you took 1080 green screen footage and cut it into an NTSC timeline, does FCP scale the image first (Motion Tab), and then apply the Chroma Key effect? Or does it apply the Chroma Key effect and then scale? If the first is true, does that mean you should pre-comp your footage in a 1080 timeline, key, render, and then cut the pre-composed 1080 timeline into your NTSC timeline?

    Sam Zimman replied 19 years, 5 months ago 3 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Martin Baker

    March 9, 2007 at 7:39 am

    AFAIK the pipeline is this:

    Speed Changes (inc Time Remap)
    Filters (top filter in list applied first)
    Motion Tab
    – Motion Blur
    – Crop
    – Distort
    – Basic Motion
    – Drop Shadow
    – Opacity/Composite mode

    In your real world example, FCP would key the image first and then scale it down.

    Martin
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  • David Bogie

    March 9, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    > Real World Example:
    If you took 1080 green screen footage and cut it into an NTSC timeline, does FCP scale the image first (Motion Tab), and then apply the Chroma Key effect? Or does it apply the Chroma Key effect and then scale? If the first is true, does that mean you should pre-comp your footage in a 1080 timeline, key, render, and then cut the pre-composed 1080 timeline into your NTSC timeline?
    < I know what I'd do in your real world case. I'd set the chromakey in a native-sized sequence using all the tools to get a rough key. Then prerender this foreground key footage over transparent with the alpha and import it as a movie. This maintains maximum rez on the key and eliminates the key processing for all subsequent compositing. Plus, you don't have to get the keying precise for the rough. You can always go back later and get as obsessive about the key as you want, just replace the proxy movie with the new one. But that's just me; I started doing pre-renders long ago when CoSA took a weekend to render 10 seconds of footage. bogiesan This is my standard sigfile so do not take it personally: “For crying out loud, read the freakin’ manual.”

  • Sam Zimman

    March 9, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    thanks for responding. That motion tab order is completely not intuitive.

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