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  • What do I lose?

    Posted by Ron Craig on April 7, 2008 at 12:58 am

    It looks as though projects coming up are likely to have a mix of HDCAM tape and Firestore video data. All will be shot in the same way, 720p 30fps, 59.94. So that means I can set up my project with those parameters and everything can go onto the timeline without needing rendering.

    But that also means that I can’t use ProRes 422 (HQ), as I tend to do now, if I want to avoid rendering. (I can capture tape as ProRes but the Firestore can’t come in as ProRes.) Frankly, I’ve been using ProRes just because I read so many good things about it, not because I’m really well-informed about it.

    So, what do I lose by not working in ProRes 422? And, wise people here, are the benefits of ProRes 422 (HQ) so great that you would advise me to keep using it and just to put up with the rendering that will be required with the Firestore material?

    Thanks.

    Ron Craig replied 18 years, 1 month ago 3 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Russell Lasson

    April 7, 2008 at 3:00 am

    Will the FireStore be DVCPROHD?

    If you’re editing in FCP6 and you have a good computer, I’d be tempted to still edit in ProRes. But DVCPROHD isn’t a bad option. It’s been used for several years with great success. ProRes is better though.

    -Russ

    Russell Lasson
    Kaleidoscope Pictures
    Provo, UT

  • Ron Craig

    April 7, 2008 at 5:14 am

    Hi Russell,

    Yes, we are shooting DVCPRO HD. I’m working with an Octocore with plenty of RAM and storage so I have the horsepower needed. But I’m interested in what you’re saying because I actually don’t know the benefits of ProRes very well. What makes you conclude that it’s worth my while to continue in ProRes and accept the rendering when needed? Sorry to ask such a newbie question but there’s a lot to learn in this area! Even for an experienced editor.

    Thanks for your time and thoughts.

  • David Roth weiss

    April 7, 2008 at 5:40 am

    The benefits of ProRes are:

    1) 10-bit vs 8-bit
    2) full raster vs anamorphic

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Ron Craig

    April 7, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Thanks David. I appreciate your pithy contribution. Taking your items in reverse order, what benefit do I get out of full raster? When I’ve worked with anamorphic material in the past I’ve been able to deal with it successfully in, say, After Effects or Photoshop. But perhaps being full raster improves the visual quality? I don’t know. Can you give me your thoughts on that?

    As for 10 bit, that’s a pretty strong argument if I understand things correctly: Better color resolutions and values, right?

    Thanks.

  • David Roth weiss

    April 7, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    With full raster HD you never have to be concerend with things such as improper scaling or output, artifacts from scaling, or processsing power required by scaling.

    As far as the 10-bit thing goes, banding and noise in flat areas of the video (the sky for example) will not increase significantly as you go down generations, and graphics at 10-bit are significantly better, with no compression artifacts, no banding and no aliasing.

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Ron Craig

    April 7, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Thanks!

    — Ron

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