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What are you thinking about CS6?
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[Herb Sevush] “I like having Symphony’s CC right in the Ap, but I’m not crazy about Avid’s stodgy timeline style.”
When’s the last time you used Avid? They’ve taken great pains in the last few versions (starting at V4, I think) to add more FCP type functionality to their timeline with the Smart Tools.
Personally, I hate them (I like the editing modes) and turn them off but if you like direct timeline interaction they might be perfect for you. Either way, I’d be very interested to hear your thoughts on Symphony if you go that route. I’ve been all Premiere for the last few months and just bought Symphony for my home system. Too good of a deal to pass up. Looking forward to test driving CS6, too.
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[Herb Sevush] “I know what Symphony is and can do, I’m still not sure what PPro is, hence the uncertainty. I’m not a big AE user, I like having Symphony’s CC right in the Ap, but I’m not crazy about Avid’s stodgy timeline style. PPro is much more similar to FC in terms of actual cutting in the timeline, and if they have added the right features, like Legacy’s sync indicator, and if their multi-cam is flexible enough, then they’ve got me. Otherwise I know Avid can handle my workflow, and while I’ve been avoiding them for almost 20 years, if it’s got to be, so be it.”
Audio sync markers are there, but they’re at the top of my list of things needing improvement. Currently, they only display when linked audio and video are thrown out-of-sync. They disappear as soon as you unlink audio and video. It’s easy to select linked audio and video elements separately — just option select. But I don’t think this is a scaleable solution. Like FCP, audio and video elements from the same source should always show sync markers if slipped, regardless of whether the elements are linked or not.
Also, even though I don’t use multicam and haven’t tried it, I know it’s important to you. From what I’ve seen in demos, it looks like the PP’s multicam needs a complete redo. The whole paradigm of a separate window and needing to record a multicam session feels off to me.
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David Lawrence
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Definitely interested in checking it out, but I reall love FCP X and the direction it’s going. I think it’s unfortunate as its being said that Adobe made FCP 8. Despite the growing pains of FCP X, I like the forward thinking Apple took and look forward to its growth. I am glad for the competition too. Good for all of us. Would love to try the new Smoke. I only know Blender. Tried the new Avid MC and ran back to FCP 7 and X.
Jashaka anyone?! Just kidding.
Tangier
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[David Jahns] “I’ve heard conflicting things about Speed Grade and the video output. I heard that SG does NOT support Transmit, and therefore the “Grading Application” can’t actually output to a calibrated monitor. If so, that’s ummm… disappointing is about the nicest word for it. Can anyone confirm?”
Of cours SpeedGrade can do proper video out, but it does require an NVIDIA HD-SDI daughter card — meaning it also requires a Quadro GPU and a PC.
NVIDIA has more information [link] on their web site.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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[Walter Soyka] “Of cours SpeedGrade can do proper video out, but it does require an NVIDIA HD-SDI daughter card — meaning it also requires a Quadro GPU and a PC. “
Ok, Thanks, Walter. So SpeedGrade on Mac is apparently hobbled – but works on Windows with specific video NVIDIA cards? That makes sense, and explains the discrepancies I heard at NAB.
Better than nothing, but I think most users would prefer it to talk to Transmit & push video out to the AJA-BM-Matrox cards.
If it doesn’t, CS6 on Mac is somewhat limited as a complete suite, which is what most FCS customers are looking for.
Good thing Resolve fills that gap!
David Jahns
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[David Lawrence] “Like FCP, audio and video elements from the same source should always show sync markers if slipped, regardless of whether the elements are linked or not.”
Indeed! I find this very, very useful.
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[David Lawrence] “Audio sync markers are there, but they’re at the top of my list of things needing improvement. Currently, they only display when linked audio and video are thrown out-of-sync.”
How can linked clips get thrown out of sync? Markers are needed only for un-linked elements.
And one of the really great things about Legacy was the way the sync markers could re-sync, with options for how you wanted it done. Invaluable.
It’s also crucial to working with multi-cam because your always working with un-linked sources, unless they treat the whole multi-cam clip as a single source, no matter which video angle you’ve cut too.
Their demo was hopeless on these and many other subjects, although it’s not Adobe’s fault, the subject is too complex to get the nuances in a demo.
[David Lawrence] “Like FCP, audio and video elements from the same source should always show sync markers if slipped, regardless of whether the elements are linked or not.”
Especially if they are not.
[David Lawrence] “The whole paradigm of a separate window and needing to record a multicam session feels off to me.”
That’s another reason I need to get my hands on it. I’m hoping it’s just a silly way to reference something similar to the ” open sync” function in the source window of Legacy.
Herb Sevush
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[Herb Sevush] “How can linked clips get thrown out of sync? Markers are needed only for un-linked elements.
And one of the really great things about Legacy was the way the sync markers could re-sync, with options for how you wanted it done. Invaluable. “
You can option-click on one of the linked elements and move it separately, throwing it out of sync. Both elements are still linked but they display markers showing the offset. You can option-click on a sync marker and you get a drop down that lets you either move the element back into sync, or slip the content into sync.
The markers dissappear if you unlink. But if you re-link again, they re-appear. It’s workable, but I agree that Legacy is much better.
Re: Multicam – I’m really looking forward to hearing what you think once you get your hands on it.
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[David Lawrence] “The markers dissappear if you unlink. But if you re-link again, they re-appear. It’s workable, but I agree that Legacy is much better.”
Adobe loves feedback [link]!
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Dynamic LInk to AE is really truly great. It’s like having the power of AE and all that entails connected directly to your NLE (because…youknow…it is connected to the NLE). If you know and use AE, it’s truly the crown jewel.”
I agree wholeheartedly with Jeremy on this. With my graphics orientation, dynamic link between AE and Pr has been a huge workflow boost. I’ve been really happy with what I’ve seen in CS6, and I think it’s a natural choice for graphics-heavy post. I’ll be curious to see what the adoption rate in promo-land is.
One thing I’d mention, though — a lot of people are comparing Pr CS6 to the erstwhile FCP8, but I think it’s important to remember that this is not actually FCP. There are a few differences (like the natural inclination for all-native workflow and the attendant render upon output, for example) that FCP users will have to learn, but I think Adobe has done an outstanding job of improving Pr (and incorporating some good ideas from other NLEs) without losing their own philosophy on editorial.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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