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We want a New MacPro
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You should learn that to say someone is “groveling” is an insult. So maybe you haven’t gotten as far as you think. It did make me angry, but not to the level of a “problem”. Just watch your words and their effects on people. I have no problem with differing opinions. Insults are something else. Truce, please…
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1,Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1, Premiere Pro 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Avid MC, Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-285 120GB SSD, Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 8Gb SSD, G5 Quadcore PCIe -
Truce.
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.7.3
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
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Jim, I don’t know if Pr is more stable on the Mac or Windows. I have a similar machine to yours, and a Win7 machine. I haven’t noticed stability issues with 5.5 on either platform. But I did not upgrade to Lion on my Mac Pro. Pr 6.0 has been more problematic, but it’s a pretty new version, with lots of new features, so I expect problems. The changes to Lion have seemed to be more at the core from what I’ve read, than Adobe’s products. Apple doesn’t seem to do a great job of giving advance info to their ISVs.
As far as OS brands go, I’m pretty agnostic. The OS is, after all, only a tool to host a job, like a hammer to a carpenter, or more to the point, like the shop where the hammer lives. I have used Macs since they came out, as well as DOS, CP/M, Linux, etc. I don’t get worked up over it, other than I hate to throw money away on tools that are about to become obsolete. The Mac OS is a great OS, but I think that many of us are very concerned with Apple’s way of approaching us, their customers and VARs (like you), over the last two years, especially the cavalier way they handled FCP to FCPX. And you are right, we need a faster turn of product on MacPros to stop the abandonment of the professional platform. The only thing that might slow it, is if Windows 8 is a disaster. I often run Windows7 for a month at a time without rebooting.
I was very happily using FCP 7 having spent thousands to buy into Apple’s vision, and then to have that happen was just like many of the software fiasco’s of days gone by (remember Dbase and the Ashton Tate lines? How about Lotus 123?). I run from that situation as soon as I smell it coming. I feel that Adobe is built for professionals, since that is their market. They aren’t going to screw their only market. I’ve decided after last June to buy into that vision, since I use AE, Photoshop and Lightroom already. Apple is a consumer company, has been and continues to be. They used FCP to sell high end Macs. Now, I’m not sure if that strategy is still in their plans. It’s a very small segment of their market.
Wring as much as you can out of your OS investment. Spend some time working on Windows 7 if you feel like it. Adobe makes it pretty painless to switch. There’s nothing ‘wrong’ with OSX, just the decisions that Apple management make at times. Now go enjoy the weekend. (G).
Al
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Just to weigh in on the rampant Windows problems that Jim refers to – I’ve got a 5 year old PC, on which I ran Photoshop, Illustrator, 3DS Max, and a boatload of other ancillary graphics and video production software for those years, and never once did I have a required re-install every year (that strikes me as one of those urban myths perpetrated by rabid mac users). I also have a main dual quad core workstation running Vista 64-bit OS, with the CS4 Production Premium, CS5.5 Master Collection, and I’m about to install the CS6 MC – two or three years running daily – no OS re-install – I just do the here and there brainless service pack install. No problems. I also own an I7 Thinkpad laptop (only a year old) with the CS5 Master Collection and Win7 – no problems, no reinstalls.
Methinks thou dost protest too much against Windows. Maybe the people who had Windows systems when you were a VAR should have been working on Macs – there’s a certain basic level of technical expertise required to run a Windows box – but if you’re not a total technical sad-sack, it’s pretty simple. It sounds as if you made the right choice going with the Mac platform, but I, for one, will take my Windows PC any day – and I’ve worked on both, having had waaaay more problems when I was working on Macs, which was quite a while back, but that still remains my perception of Macs. It’s just a choice, not a religion…
Joe Bourke
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I’ll just throw in my .02 cents.
I use both Windows and Mac daily. I’m writing these words on a MBP, and I love my Mac. I’ll be getting a mac to replace it.
But, I NEVER use it for my work. That is all done on windows, because I find it far superior as an editing platform. Anything else? I’ll use my mac.
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To all on this thread, you might have seen (I hadn’t) that there is a Facebook page for asking Apple to produce more newer MacPros. Lots of discussion on the Apple Forums here on Cow. Also, Larry Jordan has an article about the subject on his blog at
https://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/?utm_source=Larry%27s+Newsletter+-+120528&utm_campaign=5%2F28+Newsletter&utm_medium=emailIt’s a mystery to me why Apple won’t talk about this in advance, as Larry mentions. Companies like MSFT, HP, and others routinely share advance information with their business clients. They understand that these companies have budget cycles, and that they need to make plans sometimes years in advance. While some of us might not like those companies products, that is the way the “world” works for business planning. The lack of advance planning by Apple is only to their detriment. It’s good to remember that Apple still has barely 10% of the market, as a stockholder of theirs, I personally feel they need to get with the plan. At this rate, I for one, have already made the choice to not buy another Mac for video editing. With some advance notification from Apple on these matters, I might be willing to be wooed back to the platform. I do use a Mac laptop for my email, etc. So I’m not anti-Apple.
Al
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Oops. Sorry, I forgot that Jim had posted the FB page info on the OP. (!). More coffee needed this AM
Al
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Hi Al, Im joining you in the cup of coffee right now. 😀
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.7.3
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
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Hello Folks,
To be clear, the Mac Pro’s currently being sold are an old design. The want for new Mac Pro’s has been also been expressed by Alex Lindsey and others well known in the post production/vfx world. The hope is that they will release something soon with the new/latest Thunderbolt and Intel chipsets.
BTW, I support Windows servers and desktops in my day job, have a Linux web/email server, but prefer my Macs. As I emailed Jim, Win 7 is better than what came before it. I do still think that both the hardware and the OS is better on the Mac side.
Y’all be cool,
Robert:-)
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