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  • Shane Ross

    October 28, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    [Tom Wolsky] ” Avid looks to be in trouble with large layoffs.”

    Got a link for that news? I didn’t hear anything about this. I know they are doing well with people switching, taking advantage of the special pricing. Selling software to people who normally wouldn’t get it.


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  • Shane Ross

    October 28, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    I can answer my own question…

    Damn…200 people. Shoot…


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  • Shane Ross

    October 28, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “One of the greatest living editors, who currently relies on FCP: does that sound like they communicated anything to him?”

    They don’t care about his demographic anymore…that is clear. I do wonder what, if anything, they said. When I wrote I got little more than “give us time, wait and see…”


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  • David Roth weiss

    October 28, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    [Shane Ross] “When I wrote I got little more than “give us time, wait and see…””

    But, we’re in a business that requires delivery “yesterday.” And, we’ve already been waiting on Apple to deliver for over four years.

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  • Mark Dobson

    October 28, 2011 at 5:34 pm


    What exactly are you waiting for?

    FCPX was launched 4 months ago. It is what it is.

    Whilst in time it will meet more peoples professional needs I can’t ever see Walter Murch stacking 24 tracks of video in it.

    It’s clearly designed for a new editing paradigm. Not one based on the traditions of celluloid film editing.

    The message is really clear. If people want to edit on a system that is similar to FCP7 they need to shift platforms.

    Time will tell whether Apple are right in severing their links with what can now be seen as traditional NLE.

  • Tom Wolsky

    October 28, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Sounds more too me like they did reply, but he didn’t like what they said. You can make whatever suppositions you want based on your view of Apple.

    All the best,


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  • Aindreas Gallagher

    October 28, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    aha! *wags finger wildly*

    so now we’re both drawing inferences….
    promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

  • Oliver Peters

    October 28, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    I’ve been as vocal as most of the critics about the issues with FCP X, but I don’t count it out. I suspect someone in the feature film world is probably going to try it and like it. If that’s the case, opinions may change. Ironically, Walter Murch has been using a FileMaker Pro database of his own design for quite a few pictures, so in some ways, the relational database style of FCP X organization might actually play well with that approach.

    Remember that going from MC to FCP was relatively easy because the design was very similar, so it was a very natural transition for Walter during “Cold Mountain”. OTOH he never gravitated to Lightworks, which uses a far different UI. More so then than now. FCP X is a completely different UI and means relearning everything you knew about working with editing software. It might simply be too much of a leap.


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    Orlando, FL

  • Bill Davis

    October 28, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Walter Murch edits MOVIES.

    Most people don’t edit movies. OR TV shows, for that matter.

    Most people edit to communicate. A significant portion of them edit to communicate for others for money. Of that sub-group, Movies and traditional TV are a further sub-group. The larger play is increasingly “direct to an audience” via the web. If one can’t see that tectonic shift, it’s because you’re not looking.

    I noted here in another thread months ago, the story of a young intern in that works on the same local TV show that my wife appears on. That bright, attractive young talented girl had NO interest in working on TV. She had secured a primo entry job in the web world. And viewed broadcast as “old school.” She might have been interested in working on a “movie” – but knowing how painfully slow that process is when done properly, I suspect she might have been bored to death with that kind of career.

    That’s where we’re going. And X is being designed for her world. Period. If you keep trying to shoehorn it into a world of feature films and national TV production environments, (outside data heavy tasks like the Sports stuff discussed earlier where data access agility is the driving force) then you’re missing the larger view of what’s happening out there.

    Initiatives like VIMEO PRO and the “branded channel” model that Google is clearly building with the YouTube channel ecostructure revamp is where the eyeballs are migrating.

    “Content” will NOT mean the same thing in the future that it does right now.

    That’s my bet, anyway.

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  • Franz Bieberkopf

    October 28, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Most people don’t edit movies.”

    Bill, I am not sure what distinction you are making here between movies and movies, but the rest of your post is more to the point:

    [Bill Davis] “The larger play is increasingly “direct to an audience” via the web.” etc.

    I think it’s generally accepted that FCPX is aimed at this market – it’s clearly a consumer product and I don’t think you’re going to find an argument in this forum on that point.

    The debate here seems to be why Apple chose to label it as “Pro”.


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