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  • Jalal Jemison

    July 25, 2005 at 6:16 pm

    I just upgraded to FCP 5 Studio, I have been using FCP for about 6 years and I have never seen this before.

    So I have a sequence that has another sequence nested in it, sequence #1 has sequence #2 in the timeline. I changed the edit around on sequence #2 and found it strange that it didn’t update on the timeline of sequence #1. So I right clicked on the sequence #2 media in the timeline, it opened a version of sequence #2 from before I changed it. Then if I go through the timeline and do the same every edit of sequence #2, it opens a new timeline for sequence #2. If I have 30 cuts of sequence #2 in my sequence #1 timeline, it makes 30 different sequence #2 timelines! And All of these new timelines aren’t even in my media bin?? I am so f*cking confused.

  • Gabriel Regalbuto

    July 25, 2005 at 7:35 pm

    just had the same stupid problem this morning.

    WTF for real.

  • Andy Edwards

    July 25, 2005 at 8:50 pm

    Since your steps are repeatable, I would send it into Apple as a bug. Go to the Apple feedback page and input your info. Man… do they ever need another .release for their software.

  • Gary Hughes

    August 3, 2005 at 10:33 pm

    Happened to me too. After a couple of hours (of pulling out hair), I got past it, but I’m not at the system now and can’t remember how. I will try tomorrow to replay my steps and let you know.

    Looks like we’re all going to have to invest in Rogain!

    Thanks,
    Gary

  • walter biscardi

    August 4, 2005 at 4:15 am

    [Jalal Jemison] “So I have a sequence that has another sequence nested in it, sequence #1 has sequence #2 in the timeline. I changed the edit around on sequence #2 and found it strange that it didn’t update on the timeline of sequence #1. So I right clicked on the sequence #2 media in the timeline, it opened a version of sequence #2 from before I changed it. Then if I go through the timeline and do the same every edit of sequence #2, it opens a new timeline for sequence #2. If I have 30 cuts of sequence #2 in my sequence #1 timeline, it makes 30 different sequence #2 timelines! And All of these new timelines aren’t even in my media bin?? I am so f*cking confused.”

    That’s normal behavior for FCP. Every single time you paste or edit in the very same nest or Sequence into another Sequence, it will treat it as a stand-alone clip. So if your “Sequence 2” is pasted / edited into your timeline 10 times, FCP will not update all 10 Sequences if you change one of them. To update a “Sequence 2” you must double click that particular Sequence 2 in the Sequence 1 timeline. Then when you make the changes and go back, you’ll find that Sequence 2 has been properly update in Sequence 1, but ONLY that particular Sequence 2. All the others will remain as they were when they were originally placed into the timeline.

    The behavior is really handy for when I have a ton of graphics whereby the background elements remain the same, but only the text changes. I’ll create a Nest of the background, animated element and Boris Text 3D layer. Then I’ll copy and paste that nest every place in the show where I’ll need the text. Then I just double click each nest as I go along to change the Text. If FCP updated every single version of the original nest, that would create a LOT more work for me. And no, all of those nests / sequences don’t show up in the bin. They only stay in the Sequences.

    If you want to have a single sequence / nest update throughout FCP, your best option is to simply export it as a self-contained movie and then import and place it onto the timeline. Every time you make a change to the original Nest, simply export it again as the exact same name and FCP will reconnect to the new file each time.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    Creative Genius, Biscardi Creative Media
    https://www.biscardicreative.com

    Now in Production, “The Rough Cut,” https://www.theroughcutmovie.com

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

  • Gary Hughes

    August 4, 2005 at 4:53 am

    Curiosity got the best of me. I made time tonight to check it out.

    Walter is completely correct, but you can have your cake and eat it too. There is a way to have all occurances of your nest update together. If, and only if, you drag sequence1 FROM THE BROWSER into other sequences, they will all be instances (not copies) of that sequence from the browser. Then, if you need to edit sequence1, open it from the browser to edit it and all other occurances (instances) will update as well. Any other method I’ve tried works as Walter said.

    To put it another way:
    Create a copy of a sequence (for nesting) that is not related to the original by copying and pasting it into other locations. Another way is to open the sequence in the viewer and then edit it into one or more sequences as if it were a clip. These methods will result in individually editable sequences and they will no longer be related to the original. I HIGHLY SUGGEST RENAMING THESE TO DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENCE.

    Create an instance of a sequence (for nesting) that is related to the original by dragging all instances from the browser. Then when you edit the original sequence, all other instances will update.

    BTW, I’m glad it works this way because if it didn’t, I would have permanently lost a valuable sequence last week before I figured this out. Luckily I had a copy that didn’t update and I was able to open it in the viewer and drag it to the browser to get a new copy of it there.

    Thanks,
    Gary

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