Video Formats

[Shane Ross]

[Josh Birt] “In Avid however it won’t let me mix the two formats because the project settings can only be one or the other. I just wanted to know if there is a way to do this in Avid?”

Well, yeah, you can, with the newer versions of Avid. Avid 3.0 and up can mix many formats on the timeline. BUT…this is your issue…you cannot mix FRAME RATES. Pick a frame rate and stick to that frame rate. Why on EARTH would you shoot a variety of frame rates? Makes no sense.

[Josh Birt] “In premier for example I can import a file that is 1080 29.97 and a file that is 1080 59.97 and have no problem”

THen if you insist on shooting a variety of frame rates, use Premiere in those cases.

I am still confused…why are you shooting mixed frame rates for one project? That is just one big can of worms you don’t want to open.

Shane

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[Josh Birt]

I am doing work for a ski resort and a lot of the video in the past was shot in several different formats. I’m trying to cut together footage of different aspects of the resort but the summer footage is in 29.97 the condo footage is 24 and
the ski footage is 60. So it’s not that I’m shooting in different formats I have just been frustrated that I can put everything on one timeline. Thanks for you input.

[Shane Ross]

If this is the case then use Premiere, since it does this. Mixing formats is one thing, frame rates is something COMPLETELY different. That is like a basic editing no no.

Shane

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[Ken Morris]

With all do respect, have you ever worked professionally? The reason you shoot different frame rates is so that you have slow motion or fast motion effects. If you shoot at 60fps and playback at 24fps then the 60 footage becomes slow motion but more importantly, becomes smooth slow motion, not the stuttering gimmick that you often see. FCP can do variable frame rates, so can premier. Why can’t Avid handle that?

[Shane Ross]

[Ken Morris] “With all do respect, have you ever worked professionally?”

No, not really. http://www.shanerosseditor.com

[Ken Morris] “The reason you shoot different frame rates is so that you have slow motion or fast motion effects.”

Yes…I know. But you don’t mix frame rates on the timeline. 24fps and 30fps and 60fps do not mix on a timeline. Avid, FCP…nope.

[Ken Morris] “If you shoot at 60fps and playback at 24fps then the 60 footage becomes slow motion but more importantly, becomes smooth slow motion, not the stuttering gimmick that you often see”

If you shoot 60fps for slow motion…which is VERY common…then you CONVERT to 24fps BEFORE you drop it onto the timeline. I have done this often….very often. But does AVID do this? That is a very good question. When I made my leap to FCP, Avid did NOT. FCP does, in MANY ways. Either the DVCPRO HD Framerate Converter or Cinema Tools. Done. But every time I have been on an Avid, even 3.1, the production had to send the tapes out of house to have them converted from 60fps to 24fps with flags…still on tape.

I would really like to know if this is possible now with Avid internally…to convert 60fps to 30 or 24 for slow motion purposes.

Shane

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[Michael Hancock]

[Shane Ross] “I would really like to know if this is possible now with Avid internally…to convert 60fps to 30 or 24 for slow motion purposes.”

Currently, it doesn’t. There’s a console hack where I believe you can bring your footage into a 60P project, export a quicktime reference, then import that into a 24p project and ignore the frame rate, but I can’t remember what it is. Hopefully MichaelP will see this post and gives us the inside scoop on it. I’ve never done it.

That said, I believe you can open a 24fps project (more likely a 23.98) and run your camera/deck with the 60fps footage into your system and capture. I think it pulls in every frame that way to give you the 2.5x slo-mo. Again, I’ve never done it, but I remember reading about it somewhere (can’t remember where), for what that’s worth.

Michael

[Shane Ross]

[Michael Hancock] “I believe you can open a 24fps project (more likely a 23.98) and run your camera/deck with the 60fps footage into your system and capture. I think it pulls in every frame that way to give you the 2.5x slo-mo.”

I have tried this, and it did work, for a short time. We were only able to capture in 30 second chunks…roughly. But it did come in slow motion. We just needed the full takes.

Shane

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[Ken Morris]

I apologize, I misread your initial post. I assumed you were advising the OP not to shoot multiple frame rates.

Are you sure FCP doesn’t mix frame rates on the timeline? I could’ve sworn the last time I used FCP that we had mixed frame rates. I suppose I was mistaken.

Surely there is a way to do this in Avid.

I’m running into the same problems with footage from a P2 card. A couple of action shots were at 60 for slow-mo but the rest is 24.

[Michael Hancock]

Were you running it in via firewire from the camera or deck, or through one of Avid’s I/O boxes?

Michael.

[Shane Ross]

Firewire…

Shane

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