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  • video camera best choices

     Ryan Orr updated 10 years, 10 months ago 7 Members · 22 Posts
  • Gerardo Flores

    November 19, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Best regards every one

    Im planning to buy a digital video camera; I have look for some very nice camcorder from RED and ARRI ( very expensive ones ) as well some normal camcorder from Canon and Panasonic

    Im a photographer who will like to start in the magic world of video.
    Basically I will like be able to do:

    – blur background footage ( play with the focusing )
    – play with the aperture
    – at least 120 – 300 fps
    – acceptable lens zoom

    I know that this can be expensive but a believe that in the last years the video cameras has done a huge
    improvements and maybe some of you can know the best choice for that.

    I know that can be difficult to find everything in a cheap camera but I will like to have the best and the cheaper choice as well maybe you can classified cameras in this way
    a) price between 2000-5000 USD
    b) price between 5000-10000 USD
    c) price between 10000-20000 USD

    thank you a lot for your comments

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA8YmCTC4oQ

    https://vimeo.com/3867971

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OE8UvfkpQI

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  • Todd Terry

    November 19, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Others may chime in with specific suggestions… DLSRs or a smaller-chipped camera using a 35mm DoF coverter will accomplish what you want as far as soft backgrounds go. Or the new big-chip Panasonic camera you mentioned.

    However… sorry but there are no conventional cameras in anywhere near any of your price ranges that will shoot anything even close to your requested “at least 120 – 300 fps.”

    For that you are looking at specialty high-speed video cameras, or shooting real film with high-speed cameras (which are also specialty cameras), or renting a Panavision PhantomHD as needed.

    T2

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  • grinner hester

    November 19, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    It’s a take yer pick kind of thang.
    Check out your favorite DSLRs and check out RED’s Scarlet then go from there.

  • Gerardo Flores

    November 20, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Hi Todd

    Thank you again for your comments.

    do you think is difficult to find a good camera which will record at list 120 fps???
    today even some phones record that kind of videos…

    Grinner said
    “Check out your favorite DSLRs and check out RED’s Scarlet”

    Regards Grinner… I saw a nice chat about the red scarlet on VIMEO
    https://vimeo.com/forums/topic:11780
    Jesus I will love to have one of those RED cameras believe me… but God they are expensive.
    do you think there are other choices to make what I want with less money?

    and what do you think about this comment about ONE of those guys in the forum:
    ” I’m not interested in spending 10-15K to get a camera all equipped. In two years or less we’ll have the 5D shooting Raw and it wont matter what the hell Red does.”

    thank both of you for your comments.
    Regards from Prague.
    Gerardo.

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  • Todd Terry

    November 21, 2010 at 1:04 am

    [Gerardo Flores] “do you think is difficult to find a good camera which will record at list 120 fps???
    today even some phones record that kind of videos..”

    Sorry Gerardo… you were either misinformed or someone was seriously pulling your leg. There are no camera phones that record anywhere near that high a frame rate.

    There are a few conventional video cameras that will overcrank up to 60fps, but that’s about it. And with most of those, that comes with a price…resolution reduction. That is, most will shoot “normal” frame rates at 1080, but drop down to 720p to record high frame rates (or the RED which drops from 4k to 2k resolution when overcranking).

    To get up anywhere near the rate you are talking about, in the video world that means high-speed cameras used for scientific purposes… and their images are not what you’d ever want for a real project. Or it means choosing from just a few very specialty high-speed cameras, such as the Panavision PhantomHD (which isn’t for sale, only for rent), or a couple others that are many many tens of thousands of dollars. Some over $100,000.

    There are also high-speed film cameras, but they too are very expensive. They are also expensive to operate, as they eat up hundreds of dollars’ worth of film in just a few seconds.

    Unfortunately you are asking for something that doesn’t exist… akin to wanting to buy a top-end turbocharged Italian luxury sports car that can go from zero to 80 in four seconds… but want that for the price of a Chevy Aveo. I’m sorry, but there just isn’t one.

    T2

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    Todd Terry
    Creative Director
    Fantastic Plastic Entertainment, Inc.
    fantasticplastic.com

  • Gerardo Flores

    November 21, 2010 at 2:28 am

    Thank you for your comments Todd.

    and thank you for the clarifications I maybe get confused for this mobile “LG KU990 Viewty”
    which they and a lot of people say that is able to record at 120 fps.
    https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_ku990_viewty-2070.php

    look this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzAXxf5FhIU&feature=related

    of course the video doesnt look like those recorder in RED ONE at 120 fps…
    any way Im not interested in a phone I will like to buy a decent video camera…

    Todd please If you will be in my position which camera will you buy?

    Regards.
    Gerardo

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  • Todd Terry

    November 21, 2010 at 6:48 am

    Well Gerardo… I’ll stand a little bit corrected. Apparently there is a camera phone that will shoot 120fps.

    BUT… look how crappy the picture is. That’s “QVGA” resolution… or only 320×240 pixels. That’s a fraction of even standard definition video… and it’s actually only 1/27th the size of an HD image. Yes, a full 1080×1920 frame has TWENTY SEVEN times as many pixels as that. It’s marginally ok for a YouTube video, but not much else.

    What would I buy in your position? I couldn’t really say. I don’t have any idea what you want a camera for… i.e., what kind of productions you intend it for or what type of shooting you will be doing or why you need the exact features you have spelled out. I don’t know your cinematographic expertise level either, or what you are really willing to spend since you have listed a pretty wide range ($2000-$20,000). If you can share any of those details it might be helpful.

    T2

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    Todd Terry
    Creative Director
    Fantastic Plastic Entertainment, Inc.
    fantasticplastic.com

  • Gerardo Flores

    November 21, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Hi Todd

    Yes you are right: the quality is terrible. that is a shame that internet sometimes make me forget that there are a huge world of images and video with a 5 start quality videos… those phone videos are good for youtube but not for nothing else…

    My cinematographic expertise level is -0 Im just a photographer who loves films and I always saw them with a photographic eyes… last months Im trying to learn after effects and I will love to make some films
    maybe some single footage with models and landscapes at the beginning and some documentary small films and if everything goes well thinking to earn some money from that.

    As a photographer I will feel frustrated that I have no blur backgrounds in my fimls 🙁
    and a slow motions videos are as well interesting if i will show you a film where are footage that I will like
    to be able to do will be this one:

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    Last Minutes with ODEN from phos pictures on Vimeo.

    the topic is maybe not the best one but this guy have a VERY nice footage there.

    What I will really will like to expend??? 🙂 thats a nice questions for me …
    and all the time my answer it is the same ” as little money ( the less ) as I can ”

    but if you ask me how much money I can expend on this maybe will be a top of 10k becuase I will like to get some dolly and some jib as well….

    Hope my answer can help you to have an idea about what I need…

    Thank you a lot again for your help
    Gerard.

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  • Kevin Cannon

    November 22, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    The “background blur” you are looking for is inherent in cameras that have a larger sensor. Usually this is compared to the size of the aperture on a 35mm or Super 35mm film camera.

    The least expensive cameras that have this feature are Digital SLRs like the Canon 5D Mark II (which has an especially large sensor) and the 7D. These cameras also have the advantage of using cheap interchangeable lenses with which you can play with aperture, focal length and focus. And they shoot in HD, but they need to do a significant amount of compression to write the data fast enough…

    So a digital SLR would meet all your requirements except shooting 120fps which as Todd pointed out isn’t a feature on any cameras in that price range (that I know of).

    And a side note for Todd, sometime in the last year Panavision sent all their Phantoms back to Vision Research, saying thanks but no thanks!

  • Dan Brockett

    November 22, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Wow Gerard, that doc about Oden is amazing, I don’t see how anyone can watch that without shedding a tear. Thanks for posting that.

    Dan

    A Producer Who Is Also A DP? Yep, that’s Me.

    http://www.danbrockett.com

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