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  • VHS Footage Rendered Out As Progressive Does Not Look Good

    Posted by Jackie Luffy on November 23, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Hey again, If you guys remember from last time I was able to capture my VHS tapes using my Sony DV camera as a passthrough, they footage looks great, I have been seeing online that when you capture this way it is “interlaced”

    I have a problem after it gets rendered out though, I am making it MP4 and chose to make it progressive but it seems to me when comparing the MP4 file to the source footage that there is a noticable quality loss in the sense that it looks not as sharp, it is more blurry.

    I tried to render it out as “Lower field first” and “Upper field first” but the horizontal lines are WAY to bad, I also tried viewing it on my TV through my PS4 and they PS4 would play them but it just glitched, it will only play the progressive version.

    I am wondering if there is any possible way to render this out through Vegas with the same quality as the raw captured files

    The thing is when I play it through VLC player I noticed that in the settings in de-interlace method it says “Blend” and the strange thing is it looks great playing the raw file in VLC with that setting, but as soon as it’s put through Vegas it seems like there is a definite softness to it, I don’t see what else I can do, out of the 3 settings “Progressive, Lower, and Upper” Progressive is the only option I have that is looking good, perhaps this slight quality loss is inevitable?

    John Rofrano replied 10 years, 5 months ago 2 Members · 30 Replies
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  • John Rofrano

    November 23, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    [Jackie Luffy] “The thing is when I play it through VLC player I noticed that in the settings in de-interlace method it says “Blend” and the strange thing is it looks great playing the raw file in VLC with that setting, but as soon as it’s put through Vegas it seems like there is a definite softness to it, I don’t see what else I can do”

    What do you have your Deinterlace Method set to in your Project Properties? This determines how the video is deinterlaced when you select Progressive render.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Jackie Luffy

    November 23, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    It is set to “Blend Fields”

  • Jackie Luffy

    November 23, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    The only way I can get rid of the horizontal lines is if the project properties are set to “Progressive” in the field order and if the deinterlace mode is set to “blend”, in the render settings I make it progressive as well

  • Jackie Luffy

    November 24, 2015 at 12:02 am

    Here is a screen shot of both (The one of the left is the raw which has less noticeable pixels, the one on the right you can notice way more pixels and I guess that’s why it looks more fuzzy)

    9498_compare.jpg.zip

  • John Rofrano

    November 24, 2015 at 12:43 am

    [Jackie Luffy] “The only way I can get rid of the horizontal lines is if the project properties are set to “Progressive” in the field order and if the deinterlace mode is set to “blend”, in the render settings I make it progressive as well”

    If your source is interlaced your project properties should be interlaced as well. Only the render needs to be progressive,

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • John Rofrano

    November 24, 2015 at 12:44 am

    [Jackie Luffy] “It is set to “Blend Fields””

    As the fields get blended they also get a bit soft. If it bothers you, you can use a 3rd party deinterlacer like the one that comes in Boris Continuum Complete.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • John Rofrano

    November 24, 2015 at 12:46 am

    I don’t click on ZIP files. (sorry)

    If you ant to display an image please upload it as an image so that you can imbed it into your post like this:

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Jackie Luffy

    November 24, 2015 at 12:50 am

    Hmmm, I make the project settings “De-interlaced method” to none, and the field order to “Lower field first”

    The rendering settings are progressive but I still end up with horizontal lines in the picture

    Footage captured from a Sony DV camera is Interlaced correct? So if that is the case I don’t know why i’m getting lines in the finished video if the project settings are set to none and “lower field first”

  • Jackie Luffy

    November 24, 2015 at 12:53 am
  • Jackie Luffy

    November 24, 2015 at 3:29 am

    Take a look at both of these images, there is a clear quality loss in the screenshot that has a tint more of contrast (which I added in Vegas) You can clearly see more blocky artifacts in the rendered more contrasted screen capture, I have the bit rate set extremely high as well variable bit rate of 5,000,000 max with minumum of 3,000,000 So there shouldn’t be any reason why it loses this much quality, I even tried making the bit rate to 10,000,000 which is HD quality settings and it seemed to have make no difference, I thought it may have been worse because of the contrast I added but that seemed to prove wrong when I compared them together without the added contrast, there is definitely more blocky pixels in the rendered out file

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