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Very OT: i can’t realy explain how much I hate Apple right now.
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[Bill Davis] “Imagine a company shutting down all the alternative paths to your personally owned content except via their proprietary “cloud””
[Bill Davis] “Imagine if this was about something REALLY critical like all your editing files?”
This. ^
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[Herb Sevush] “It is also restricted to places that are wi-fi enabled, which is way to limiting for me.”
Like Tim said, you can set the quality to higher than CD data rates. Also, you can download and listen to tracks offline, no wifi needed. Lastly, it will read the songs that you can’t find from your iTunes synced library on your phone.
There is also:
Amazon Prime music
Pandora
Beats
and Tidal (hahahaha, just kidding).You can also get iTunes Match if you want to back up your entire library (no more than 25,000 songs though) so that even if iTunes can’t find the exact song in their database, the actual file is uploaded and streamed. I have over 25k songs, so I’m mostly disappointed in the service as it tends to just stop syncing when you go over. The benefit of it – if it worked great – is that you can open a new library on any new mac and have your whole library streamable without the need of filling up your hard drives. I do hope the new apple solution merges beats with match and removes the 25k song limit.
This speaks to the broader implications of what you’ve encountered. The world is moving on from managed media storage on devices that don’t have sufficient space. Photos is a great – and actually great working – example of this. I have 500+ gigs of photos in my Aperture/iPhoto library. There’s no way a new base model macbook air could handle or manage all those photos. With iCloud Photo Library, I still get all my photos synced across all devices – even phones – and only download the full resolution ones when I do serious editing on the images. The edits are seamless and near instant across all devices, even for RAW photos.
Yep, I’m paying $20/mo for this. But I also am completely unaffected if a hard drive crashes, a computer falls in the toilet, my wife throws an iPad at me, etc. That’s the promise of the cloud – cheaper devices (because you’re not buying huge SSD’s in them) that are also more disposable. Your important media goes with you no matter what you’re on.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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Herb,
I feel your pain. I keep my iPod classic around for similar reasons. The Cloud is great right up until the point you don’t have access to it. 😉 For example, I’m always surprised about how quickly cell signals drop like a rock in the Santa Monica Mountains even though it’s literally sounded by Los Angeles. If I’m going for a hike and want music it has to be on local storage.
[Bill Davis] “Good thing as John mentioned, you have alternatives like Spotify.”
iTunes Match basically allows you to stream music you already own to all of your devices. If Apple shut down iTunes Match it would only mean you couldn’t use iTunes Match. You are still free to put your music where ever you want (even servers) and use non-Apple solutions to achieve the same end goals.
With Spotify, on the other hand, you are just streaming music Spotify has the rights to stream to you. If Spotify goes away so does your music.
[Bill Davis] “Imagine if this was about something REALLY critical like all your editing files?”
Imagine if there was a way you could export your project files to like 4-5 other NLEs? 😉
At times like this I wonder how many people run their own email and/or web hosting servers out of their house, only use cash, live disconnected from the power grid and are trying to figure out how to become their own ISP.
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[John Davidson] “Your important media goes with you no matter what you’re on.”
…and is subject to absolute control by the corporations who own the “cloud”.
Cloud computing is the antithesis of personal computing.
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[Scott Witthaus] “Almost as bad as losing music is having to choose what music you want and what you can live without: “Live at Filmore East? Gotta have it. Quadraphenia….hmmmm…Jerry Lee…see ya…” “
Another advantage of Spotify. Save anything you want, stream if you can, download if you can’t. I no longer have to decide. It’s all there. All the time.
[John Davidson] “you can download and listen to tracks offline, no wifi needed”
This is key for me. I live at the absolute fringe of my phone data, and at the absolute end of my ISP’s hardwired network. They keep coming out to try boosting the signal, but the head-end engineers are not encouraging of our long-term connectivity prospects. If I couldn’t download Spotify music, and had to rely 100% on streaming, it would be nearly useless to me.
I really do find myself enjoying Spotify far more than any other music platform I’ve ever had….
…although vinyl is the only one of them I still miss. But if I’m being honest, a lot of it was the just the size of the media. Hell, if I could buy full-size album covers and associated goodies without the albums in them, I would.
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Yep, you nailed it Herb. I bought a Classic, right before they pulled the plug. No, I’m not clairvoyant… I actually had no clue that they were killing it. It was simply my only choice at the time.
Like you my iTunes library is too big to fit on anything else Apple makes. Even the new (wasn’t around at the time) 128GB iPhone won’t hold it. I’m at 140GB and growing, so only a 160GB iPod Classic will hold it.
Nice move Apple. I’ve heard the rationalizations about HD’s being unavailable. Am I supposed to believe that a company that buys up entire runs of components for several years in advance, screwed up on this? BS!
Apple decided they didn’t care about the Classic. They did the Apple standard “like it or lump it approach”. We’re Apple and you’ll just accept whatever gruel we dish out. Besides, we want to force you to the cloud anyway.
Screw the cloud. It’s another solution in search of a problem. I’m traveling all over Scotland at the moment where internet is spotty as hell. If I depended on Spotify (no slight intended to them specifically) or anything else, I’d be screwed. Thank god I got a Classic before Tim Cook killed it.
To all those technology worshippers out there, I’ll just make a couple of comments. The USA spent $13 million developing a pen that would write in a zero gravity environment in space. It failed in some cases. The Russians gave their Cosmonauts pencils that worked 100% of the time. Sometimes a plain old fashioned hammer is faster than a pneumatic nailer. It’s just the nature of life. Technology isn’t the solution to everything… and neither is the cloud or Apple… especially under Tim Cook.
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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At least you’re not this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYi1i02CrvY
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[Mitch Ives] “If I depended on Spotify (no slight intended to them specifically) or anything else, I’d be screwed. “
Understood…but again, a problem for which Spotify contains its own solution. Download all you can eat, any time.
[Andrew Kimery] “With Spotify, on the other hand, you are just streaming music Spotify has the rights to stream to you. If Spotify goes away so does your music. “
Of course…but you’re assuming that ownership is the most compelling way to music. The world disagrees, which is why streaming has disrupted music consumption so quickly. I never assumed I owned anything on Spotify, so the changing selection is no big deal. Certainly no deal breaker.
I assume you’re avoiding Netflix for the same reason? Because they got there first. People would rather NOT own movies and TV shows. They can, but they choose not to.
(This is another area where iTunes was disrupted too, btw. When was the last time you heard about people bingeing on iTunes shows they BOUGHT? I’m sure it happens…right? But not in any way that Apple can sustain a business on at anything resembling historic levels.)
But that’s my question for you. Do you avoid Netflix? Or even cable TV? Because it’s the exact same model as Spotify, MINUS THE DOWNLOADS. I don’t think you guys are getting the power of downloading Spotify.
My point being that you don’t own anything on cable TV, and yet you might watch anyway. Or you don’t own anything on Netflix, yet you might still watch anyway.
Or are you ONLY consuming media you buy?
I’m not being rhetorical or combative (this time). I genuinely want to know.
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[Mitch Ives] “To all those technology worshippers out there, I’ll just make a couple of comments. The USA spent $13 million developing a pen that would write in a zero gravity environment in space. It failed in some cases. The Russians gave their Cosmonauts pencils that worked 100% of the time. Sometimes a plain old fashioned hammer is faster than a pneumatic nailer. It’s just the nature of life. Technology isn’t the solution to everything… and neither is the cloud or Apple… especially under Tim Cook.”
I agree with the sentiment to a degree, but the pencil/pen story is unfortunately a myth. Pencil’s can chip/break and create dust and are flammable which is bad inside of a space ship, and the ‘space pen’ was developed by a private company and given to NASA (which tested and approved it).
https://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
[Tim Wilson] “Of course…but you’re assuming that ownership is the most compelling way to music.”
Not assuming anything, just going about one of my hobby’s which is disagreeing with Bill Davis. 🙂 But in all seriousness, I was just pointing out the difference between iTunes Match and Spotify. I use a combination of my own music plus iTunes Match, Spotify (paid version), Pandora (free version) and regular old radio for my listening needs.
As a former cord cutter (Cable free for six years) I’ll say that Netflix is fine for back catalog but there is usually a 1yr delay before TV shows start showing up on it which is sometimes too long for me. Hulu is great for on demand network TV shows but not much beyond that. I used Amazon to buy season passes to current seasons of shows like Orphan Black or Sons of Anarchy and I only had to wait 24hrs after the air date in order to watch them. As an Amazon Prime member I would also usually get access to back catalogs of shows that before Netflix or ones that Netflix didn’t have. I never bought any shows via iTunes because I didn’t want to also have to buy an AppleTV. Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, etc., are on pretty much every device so no need to tie myself down with an AppleTV.
As I said, former cord cutter. When baby #1 on the way my better half wanted cable so I called up TWC and got whatever best combo/deal they had going plus a DVR (to get rid of ‘appointment TV limitations’). It’s all pretty cool and the built-in on demand means we are using Netflix and Amazon a lot less. I don’t know if I’ll keep cable once the introductory rates wear off, but I love bingeing on How It’s Made on the Science channel.
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[Tim Wilson] ” if I could buy full-size album covers and associated goodies without the albums in them, I would.”
true that.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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