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Version 1.0 is the new 0.9 – CNet Article
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[Herb Sevush] “But that’s what makes the difference.”
Ignorance? I don’t get what you are saying here.
[Herb Sevush] “Not yet, maybe after the next upgrade.”
Funny, I can add 444 Alexa footage to an FCPX project and edit. i guess high-end is a moving target.
[Herb Sevush] “Which is proof that things are different now. Apple is reacting to that difference, but for many people it’s not enough to say that they are more open than before. That’s like saying he’s more talkative than a dead guy – it might be true, but it still ain’t putting you on the debating team.”
So you are dismissing this then? No credit what so ever? Something that has changed for the better has no meaning?
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[Jeremy Garchow] ” I don’t get what you are saying here.”
It’s one thing to know about something, it’s another to experience it. It’s one thing to warn your kid to wear a safety helmet when he rides his bike, it’s another talking to him after he’s taken a bad fall and had a concussion.
In other posts you often refer to the experience of Shake users as an example of what “everyone knows” about Apple. The thing is you’d have to ask Shake user’s that question, and even then it’s not analogous because they kept selling and supporting Shake for years after they announced the EOL. Show me another application that was killed totally without warning, and then let’s go ask their users what they think of the parent company.
[Jeremy Garchow] ” i guess high-end is a moving target.”
High-end means meeting all the requirements to finish for complex workflows – no broadcast monitoring, no high-end.
[Jeremy Garchow] “So you are dismissing this then? No credit what so ever? Something that has changed for the better has no meaning?”
Better is good. More better is better. I have to make some major software/hardware decisions by NAB. The less Apple tells me about their future plans for both FCPX and the MacPro line, the more likely I go elsewhere.
Herb Sevush
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Ask Shake users about what is obsolete.”
So, using your logic, a killer is entitled to a free pass if they kill a second time.
I’m glad we’re only judging NLE applications.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Didn’t optical flow come from Shake?”
Yes, Shake used optical flow, but none of us know if Apple lifted Shake’s implementation for Motion or not. There are other independent implementations of motion estimation, too, so it could go either way. We’d have to ask an Apple engineer (though this would be pretty low on my list of questions to ask).
Of course, Shake (and Motion 4, for that matter) had channel swap [link], too, yet Motion 5 does not.
I think we all agree that Apple may share technologies across products in their portfolio. The root of my debate with Craig is that the fact that the mere existence of suitable technologies for integration shouldn’t imply it will happen any time soon.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Ask Shake users about what is obsolete.”
Apple licensed Shake’s source code for $50,000. Studios with serious pipelines built around Shake could buy a license to the code and maintain or customize the application themselves.
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[David Roth Weiss] “So, using your logic, a killer is entitled to a free pass if they kill a second time.
I’m glad we’re only judging NLE applications.”
Here we go. Point out the obvious and suddenly I’m the bad guy again.
No, it’s not “OK”, but I was responding to another post. This is not new from Apple.
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[Walter Soyka] “Apple licensed Shake’s source code for $50,000.”
Deal!
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[Herb Sevush] “It’s one thing to know about something, it’s another to experience it. It’s one thing to warn your kid to wear a safety helmet when he rides his bike, it’s another talking to him after he’s taken a bad fall and had a concussion.”
But if he had seen all the kids riding without helmets fall down and get hurt, did he not think that that he might be able to suffer the same consequences?
My point here is that they extremely rosy picture painted by Marvin Holdman was not that rosy. Yes, we wanted to believe Apple was looking out for us pros, but where they ever and we were just Ok with it?
[Herb Sevush] “High-end means meeting all the requirements to finish for complex workflows – no broadcast monitoring, no high-end.”
Which has been announced. I am talking about a straight up edit and quality. I can use 444 RGB images in FCPX better than I could in FCP7, and I can still make cuts and dissolves. I know what you’re saying, and interchange and extension is a huge part of usability It’s the reason why I still can’t use FCPX everyday.
[Herb Sevush] “The less Apple tells me about their future plans for both FCPX and the MacPro line, the more likely I go elsewhere.”
Sure. But this has always been the case. We never knew what was coming. Ever. Whether we choose to believe that or not is up to you. Now, we are armed with the knowledge that FCS is dead. It finally happened to us. We are not out of the shooting range. What I am saying is that we must be honest with ourselves. These drastic actions are not new, we just feel the results more deeply.
Jeremy
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Not to beat the proverbial dead horse, we are in agreement here, but…
[Jeremy Garchow] “But if he had seen all the kids riding without helmets fall down and get hurt, did he not think that that he might be able to suffer the same consequences?”
From this statement I assume you don’t have kids, am I right?
[Jeremy Garchow] “High-end means meeting all the requirements to finish for complex workflows – no broadcast monitoring, no high-end.”
Which has been announced”
Which is why I said in my first post, not high-end as yet.
[Jeremy Garchow] “These drastic actions are not new, we just feel the results more deeply.”
Again, name another major app that was killed as suddenly and as totally; still expecting a new upgrade on Monday, EOL’d without sales or support on Tuesday. That was new. More than anything else, that is what changed my view on dealing with Apple. Even Discreet (a pox on them) sold and supported *edit for over a year after the EOL.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Jeremy Garchow] ” “For them, it’s not a proverbial soy titty.””
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