Venting Now!!!!!

[Gary Adcock]

[Tim M] “So FCP can’t capture the footage except in uncontrolled fashion, the archive we make from the in camera cards will bear no relation to the footage on the drive he takes away!!!!!! “

Tim, sorry but that is NOT a panasonic problem, FCP does not record LTC timecode at all, and in Capture Now you have told it not to record incoming TC. This is an FCP issue.

now there are 3rd party devices that can do this over HDSDI like Aja’s IoHD.

“Sony does it why not Panasonic???? “
Not with FCP is does not, this is an apple issue with live TC.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

What Gary says.

[Shane Ross]

FCP firewire capture only retains TC when it has deck control, such as DVCAM and HDV and DVCPRO HD (Varicam). With no deck to control…no tape…there is no TC stream…this is an FCP issue. A Firestore can record timecode via firewire, so it is present in the firewire connection. But FCP doesn’t capture it due to how FCP needs to get TC via firewire.

Testing this stuff before you shoot is always wise.

Shane

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[Nate Stephens]

Tim if you were Taking the Firewire out of the back of the camera into a MacBook Pro using FCP and then recorded onto mirrored esata or Firewire drives,,,, And then just gave your client a copy of the folder on your hard drives……. would everybody be happier…..

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[Tim Maloney]

Hi Gary, Jeremy and Shane,

So T/C is present???

All other NLE’s capable of being on a laptop are able to target a clients drive using T/C in the stream?

If so I’ve got CS4 so I’ll plan to use it in future.

Surely with the Gazzilions of FCP licenses sold, a plug for FCP to fake a deck being present would be a great seller for someone ???

Acknowledging Apple’s lack of interest here, Is this a product of where FCP came from all those years ago – was it Engine??

Like the I/O but trying to stay away from hardware solutions. As the point of all this is to avoid additional hardware.

Any comment about Native AVCintra non adoption by Apple??

If Sony’s codecs and workflows are adopted at or near launch and they are not a partner with Apple, what is Panasonic doing wrong??

Surely the best marketing is wide adoption of the workflow at launch.

You wouldn’t need to discount cameras ( destroying early adopters investment ) to sell them if the P2 workflow possibilities blow XDCAM and its derivatives into the weeds – as AVCINTRA100 with its superior codec, being native on FCP as well as AVID would.

Best

Tim

Tim Maloney
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Axis Films Melbourne Australia
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[Tim Maloney]

Point taken Nate,

I’m trying to get producers to own their own raided drives like the Cal Digit VR.

Tim

Tim Maloney
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Axis Films Melbourne Australia
tim@axisfilms.com.au
G52.0 2.5 ram FCP 4,5 Cinewave 4.6 RT enabled OSX 10.3.3 QT 6.5,1 huge 1.8 Dual Max BMD HD LINK 23 inch Apple Cinema display

[Steve Eisen]

I would use the AJA ioHD. If the KiPro was available, that would be my next choice.

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Eisen Video Productions
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[Matt Gerard]

I had this issue when I was teching a 3 cam switched to tape show. Wanted to capture to FCP, but couldn’t. Had 3 570’s all TC synced along with a deck recording the switched feed. Turn around was critical timing, so I rented 4 Firestores ($50 each per day), one for each camera and one for the DVCMA deck. Worked flawlessly. I was an a@@hole about the camera ops all starting their records within 5 sec of each other, and all the TC matched and I had 3 camera iso’s and the switched feed when I gathered all the files.

Personally, I don’t’ trust a computer to do live recording from a camera. I’ve had too many glitches happen when doing long capture now digitizes from tapes. with the firestores, its a dedicated device that does one thing and one thing only.

Also, saves you an operator for the computer.
Also, cam files and firestore files match start/stops better than capturing to FCP would.
Also TC matches.
Also your camera isn’t tethered to a computer.

Logistically it seems a pain in the arse to have to coordinate 2 systems to roll tape(bits?) at (almost) the same time.

I can hear it now in our studio

Director “Talent ready? Yes? OK roll”
cam1 “Rolling”
FCP “wait, spinning ball”
cam1 “stop rolling”
FCP “ok, recording”
cam1 “shite, hang on rolling again”
director “everyone recording?”
cam1 “YES”
fcp “think so”
cam1 “speed”
fcp “uh, spinning ball again, software update just popped to the front”
cam1 ” @#$# stopped rolling”
director “WTF?!?!”
fcp “OK rolling again”
cam1 “ROLLING”
talent “wait, ear prompter didn’t start…”

I know people on this forum have had their share of issues with the Firestore products, I have as well, but its another option. Only thing is that you can’t log and organize and edit your clips until you dump the footage off to a laptop, as you would be able to if you were capturing directly to FCP .

Also, if you have CS4, you should have On Location. Have you tried that? I haven’t had the chance to play with it.

Another option is the proxy card for the 3000, we are going to look at getting it for our 2000. That would rock. End of day, hand over an SD card, here’s your edit proxies, mr Client, Enjoy! crew is heading to DQ for a Mr Misty!

Matt (who was at work waaaaaaaayyyyy to late last night, can you tell??)

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Matt Gerard] “Wanted to capture to FCP, but couldn’t. Had 3 570’s all TC synced along with a deck recording the switched feed.”

A laptop and an ioHD using VTR Exchange or (if you can get one) a KiPro would solve all of this. You would need one device per camera if you wanted the ISOs, or you can just record the switch. This will allow tc in and out, and all analog and digital connections, save dual link HD.

Jeremy

[Matt Gerard]

Yes, those would have been nice options, but this shoot did happen a while ago. I haven’t had one come up again. New options for new times. I still would be nervous about recording live to a computer, but as long as you have a backup, nothing can go wrong, right? 😉

Matt

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