Vegas Pro 12 slower than Vegas Pro 11 using Sony Vegas benchmark project

[Stephen Crye]

[Norman Black] “. Otherwise still the same encoder as CPU only. Quality should be pretty similar between CPU and GPU.”

Uh-oh … something new I was unaware of. Norman, are you saying that the CPU-only renders result in a higher quality than the GPU-assisted renders? Because that would bug me, I would be rendering multiple times, playing back, looking for subtle differences.

[Norman Black] “The Mainconcept OpenCL does not support AMD graphics core next GPUs. This means 7xxx series and later. Includes the current R8/R9. I found this out the hard way. My old 5850 flow on MC OpenCL and my new 7950 get no use at al”

Well, the TigerDirect store did not have any AMD HD 6970’s in stock – perhaps a good thing before I shell out nearly $400.00 for a card to replace my nVidia Quadro 2000.

So confused … just tired of waiting forever for renders to finish and not being able to preview at full speed.

My friend’s computer was tied up in a massive 8 hour render for a client project, so we could not do the benchmark. Monday looks better for that.

Still wondering about the various OEM cards for AMD and nVidia. At the store, I see MSI AMD cards, Galaxy and EVGA GeForce cards, etc. Should I be worried about buying a VisionTek AMD 6970?

Steve

Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T7500, MultiTB SATA, 8GB RAM, nVidia Quadro 2000, Vegas 12, 11, 10, 9 DVDA 6.0 & 5.2(build 135) Sony HDR-CX550V, Panasonic GH3 with LUMIX G X VARIO 12-35mm / F2.8 ASPH, LUMIX G X VARIO 35-100mm / F2.8

[Norman Black]

Playback performance is mostly tied to the CPU, unless you have a bunch of effects that slow things down. In other words, if the media plays fine by itself but cannot play fully with effects and then GPU acceleration can help, otherwise unlikely.

Sadly your CPU is kinda slow at only just over 2Ghz. 3Ghz and up would probably have you a happy camper.

Intel Quicksync would probably be the fastest AVC encoder but sadly your CPU is too old.

[Stephen Crye]

[Norman Black] “Sadly your CPU is kinda slow at only just over 2Ghz. 3Ghz and up would probably have you a happy camper.”

True that, but I’m stuck with this box for at least the next year.

I can live with slow playback, but would like to speed up renders.

I can add a second CPU – thoughts on that? That would give me 8 physical cores, and Vegas by default can run 16 threads.

Steve

Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T7500, MultiTB SATA, 8GB RAM, nVidia Quadro 2000, Vegas 12, 11, 10, 9 DVDA 6.0 & 5.2(build 135) Sony HDR-CX550V, Panasonic GH3 with LUMIX G X VARIO 12-35mm / F2.8 ASPH, LUMIX G X VARIO 35-100mm / F2.8

[Dave Haynie]

[Norman Black] “The Mainconcept AVC OpenCL does not support AMD graphics core next GPUs. This means 7xxx series and later. Includes the current R8/R9. I found this out the hard way. My old 5850 flew on MC OpenCL and my new 7950 gets no use at all. Vegas itself and Sony AVC are fine with current AMD cards.”

I didn’t realize that… looked up a little information about it. They basically pulled a “Adobe Premiere” here. They have a list of supported cards (or perhaps GPUs, like Juniper, Cayman… nothing beyond the HD6xxx series) hard-coded into the Main Concept driver. If you don’t have that device, you don’t get to use OpenCL. STUPID! Worst move I can imagine… the whole point of OpenCL is that the “compute device” doesn’t matter.

Now it makes sense why nVidia isn’t supported at all by the Main Concept driver, even though nVidia’s OpenCL sound work fine with it (if, perhaps, not as fast as CUDA, particularly on a Kepler chip).

-Dave

[Stephen Crye]

Hi;

Just got back from Ozzie’s house.

Here’s the summary: using SVP12.770 on his AMD FX-8350 8-core 4113.7 MHz system on a SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 mombo with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti Revision A2 GK104 Kepler GPU, render times are nearly identical with CPU-only, OpenCL or CUDA. I did not get screen grabs of the CPU and GPU graphs, but the only codec that pushed the GPU at all was Sony AVC, and even then it barely pushed 30%.

Preview performance of the Red Car project was great – consistent 29.97 through about 99% of the project, with preview set to Best, Full.

Render times for the “red car” project:

MainConcept AVC CUDA = 2:56 , OpenCL = 2:57 , CPU-only 2:56
Sony AVC 2:46 regardless of CPU/GPU selection, which was strange because when the GPU was selected the GPU graphs went higher than other tests, and the CPU graphs dropped.

His CPU-Z report is at the bottom of this post – would have loved to include it as a link, but Cow does not support .txt.

The GeForce GTX 660 Ti is in the CUDA 3.0 group. No matter how much I search, I can’t find any definitive statement from Sony about CUDU 3.0 support, regardless of the NVIDIA driver version.

Our results seem to show that there is NO support in build 770 for CUDA 3.0 cards. But, because his CPU-only times are still about 15% faster than my GPU accelerated times, if he did get a card that supported GPU acceleration, his system would probably fly.

Comments welcome, because I am still agonizing over what card to get for my system – should I stick with a fast Fermi, go AMD, or get Kepler in anticipation of future support?

arrrgh.

https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/kepler-tuning-guide/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Supported_GPUs

Steve

———- CPU-Z for Ozzie ———–

CPU-Z TXT Report
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Binaries
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CPU-Z version 1.68.0.×64

Processors
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Number of processors 1
Number of threads 8

APICs
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— Core 4
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— Core 6
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— Core 7
— Thread 0 7

Timers
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HPET timer 14.318 MHz
Perf timer 3.920 MHz
Sys timer 1.000 KHz
BCLK timer 1605.43 MHz

Processors Information
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TDP Limit 125 Watts
Core Speed 4113.7 MHz
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Rated Bus speed 2608.7 MHz
Stock frequency 4000 MHz
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L3 cache 8 MBytes, 64-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
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Max non-turbo ratio 20.00x
Max turbo ratio 21.00x
TSC 4014.0 MHz
APERF 4115.9 MHz
MPERF 4013.6 MHz

Chipset
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Northbridge AMD RD9x0 rev. 02
Southbridge AMD SB950 rev. 40
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR3
Memory Size 16 GBytes
Channels Dual
Memory Frequency 802.7 MHz (1:4)
CAS# latency (CL) 9.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 9
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 9
Cycle Time (tRAS) 24
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 39
Uncore Frequency 2207.4 MHz

Memory SPD
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DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR3
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XMP yes
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AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
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JEDEC #2 6.0-6-6-16-26 @ 533 MHz
JEDEC #3 7.0-7-7-19-31 @ 622 MHz
JEDEC #4 8.0-8-8-22-35 @ 711 MHz
JEDEC #5 9.0-9-9-24-39 @ 800 MHz
JEDEC #6 10.0-10-10-27-44 @ 888 MHz
JEDEC #7 11.0-11-11-30-48 @ 977 MHz
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Min tRAS 30.00 ns
Min tRC 46.25 ns
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Command Rate 2T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 5.0-5-5-14-21-2T @ 444 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #2 6.0-6-6-16-25-2T @ 533 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #3 7.0-7-7-19-29-2T @ 622 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #4 8.0-8-8-22-33-2T @ 711 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #5 9.0-9-9-24-37-2T @ 800 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #6 10.0-10-10-27-42-2T @ 888 MHz (1.500 Volts)
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EPP no
XMP yes
XMP revision 1.3
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
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JEDEC #2 6.0-6-6-16-26 @ 533 MHz
JEDEC #3 7.0-7-7-19-31 @ 622 MHz
JEDEC #4 8.0-8-8-22-35 @ 711 MHz
JEDEC #5 9.0-9-9-24-39 @ 800 MHz
JEDEC #6 10.0-10-10-27-44 @ 888 MHz
JEDEC #7 11.0-11-11-30-48 @ 977 MHz
XMP profile XMP-1600
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Command Rate 2T
XMP timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC-CR @ frequency (voltage)
XMP #1 5.0-5-5-14-21-2T @ 444 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #2 6.0-6-6-16-25-2T @ 533 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #3 7.0-7-7-19-29-2T @ 622 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #4 8.0-8-8-22-33-2T @ 711 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #5 9.0-9-9-24-37-2T @ 800 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #6 10.0-10-10-27-42-2T @ 888 MHz (1.500 Volts)
XMP #7 11.0-11-11-30-46-2T @ 977 MHz (1.500 Volts)

Monitoring
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Mainboard Model SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 (0x0000055D – 0x1EDE55C0)

DMI
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DMI BIOS
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Graphics
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Graphic APIs
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API NVIDIA I/O
API NVIDIA NVAPI

Display Adapters
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Name NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
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Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T7500, MultiTB SATA, 8GB RAM, nVidia Quadro 2000, Vegas 12, 11, 10, 9 DVDA 6.0 & 5.2(build 135) Sony HDR-CX550V, Panasonic GH3 with LUMIX G X VARIO 12-35mm / F2.8 ASPH, LUMIX G X VARIO 35-100mm / F2.8

[Thayalan Paramasawam]

Morning Sir,

(Stephen Crye)Comments welcome, because I am still agonizing over what card to get for my system – should I stick with a fast Fermi, go AMD, or get Kepler in anticipation of future support?

Me too sir……waiting for best result and comments from members

[Stephen Crye]

Thayalan, what card do you have now?

You might want to update your Cow “signature” to include info about your system and cameras.

Steve

Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T7500, MultiTB SATA, 8GB RAM, nVidia Quadro 2000, Vegas 12, 11, 10, 9 DVDA 6.0 & 5.2(build 135) Sony HDR-CX550V, Panasonic GH3 with LUMIX G X VARIO 12-35mm / F2.8 ASPH, LUMIX G X VARIO 35-100mm / F2.8

[Thayalan Paramasawam]

Hi Sir,

(Stephen Crye)Thayalan, what card do you have now?

I have 3 Working Station.

System Details:
Custom Built
Working Station 1) – Motherboard – Asus M4A78 Plus,Processor – Amd Phenom llx4 945 Black Edition,Ram – 4GB,Graphic Card – Ati Radeon HD 5990,Dvd Writer – Plextor PX-890SA,Operating system – Window 7 Pro 32 bit and Editing Programe -Sony Vegas Pro 10

Working Station 2) – Motherboard – Asus M4A88T-V-EVO Series,Processor – Amd Phenom llx4 955 3.2GHZ Black Edition,Ram – 16 GB,Graphic Card – Asus HD 6770 1GB DDR 5,Blu Ray Writer – Plextor PX-B950SA,Operating System – Window 7 64 Pro Bit and Editing Programe – Sony Vegas Pro 11

Working Station 3) – Motherboard – Asus M5A99X-EVO,Processor – Amd FX 8350 4.0/4.2 GHZ,Ram – 16 GB,Graphic Card – Asus Gtx 650 1GB DDR 5,Blu Ray Writer – Plextor PX-B950SA,Operating System – Window 7 Pro 64 Bit and Editing Programe – Sony Vegas Pro 12

[Stephen Crye]

Heh … Now I know why your signature does not have your specs! It would make it too long.

System 3 seems pretty fast. It has the GTX 650, which is Kepler I think – have you tried pulling the old Asus HD 6770 out and trying it? I’d be curious to see if it speeds up renders. But I know that it would be a pain to do that, might break something.

Steve

Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T7500, MultiTB SATA, 8GB RAM, nVidia Quadro 2000, Vegas 12, 11, 10, 9 DVDA 6.0 & 5.2(build 135) Sony HDR-CX550V, Panasonic GH3 with LUMIX G X VARIO 12-35mm / F2.8 ASPH, LUMIX G X VARIO 35-100mm / F2.8

[Thayalan Paramasawam]

Hi Sir,

(Stephen Crye)System 3 seems pretty fast. It has the GTX 650, which is Kepler I think.

But i am still having probleum when rendering,its crash or stop rendering when reach to 50%.So i off the GPU ACCELERATION.Any Solution for this probleum.Or need to change graphic Card?

Same probleum also for second AMD HD 6770…..

Thank You
Thayalan Paramasawam

System Details:
Custom Built
Working Station 1) – Motherboard – Asus M4A78 Plus,Processor – Amd Phenom llx4 945 Black Edition,Ram – 4GB,Graphic Card – Ati Radeon HD 5990,Dvd Writer – Plextor PX-890SA,Operating system – Window 7 Pro 32 bit and Editing Programe -Sony Vegas Pro 10

Working Station 2) – Motherboard – Asus M4A88T-V-EVO Series,Processor – Amd Phenom llx4 955 3.2GHZ Black Edition,Ram – 16 GB,Graphic Card – Asus HD 6770 1GB DDR 5,Blu Ray Writer – Plextor PX-B950SA,Operating System – Window 7 Pro 64 Bit and Editing Programe – Sony Vegas Pro 11

Working Station 3) – Motherboard – Asus M5A99X-EVO,Processor – Amd FX 8350 4.0/4.2 GHZ,Ram – 16 GB,Graphic Card – Asus Gtx 650 1GB DDR 5,Blu Ray Writer – Plextor PX-B950SA,Operating System – Window 7 Pro 64 Bit and Editing Programe – Sony Vegas Pro 12