Vegas blending modes – why are they different than in photoshop?

[Wouter Wynen]

Also, when I put the cursor where the vignette event does not reside, the whole video turns black because of the multiply blending mode.

How can non existing pixels affect the layers below if they are multiplied??

[Steve Rhoden]

They are both completely different programs, one specifically
for Image the other for Video, Their integrated approach in
processing data are completely different, so you are never
gonna find their methods similar.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[John Rofrano]

[wouter wynen] “How can non existing pixels affect the layers below if they are multiplied??”

Because it’s a mask where white lets information though, non-white (e.g., black) blocks information from passing, and anything without a color is interpreted as non-white. So “non existing pixels” are treated the same as black pixels for the purpose of the mask because they are not white.

~jr

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[Wouter Wynen]

Yes i realize it is different, or else i wouldn’t have made this post 🙂 It’s a bit like saying this is a different software so 1+1 does not have to be 2 here.

So when i multiply a 2s event in a 20min video, i have to add white events before and after the 2s to make it work. Also there is no way to lower the opacity for that blended layer. A white pixel at 50% opacity becomes 50% grey in vegas (which would be nogmal with a black layer beneath it, but not within the layer itself, that should be transparant)

Does anyone have a workaround for this?

I like vegas for its ease of use when cutting tracks and sliding them around. But anytime i want to do a little bit more i get stuck with unexpected behavior and a bit of a cluttered inefficient user interface :/

[Steve Rhoden]

Sorry, No workaround, thats what something like After Effects is for,
for taking compositing to the next level.

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Wouter Wynen]

Ok thanks, will have to look out for another editor then 🙁

After effect imo is for editing short clips, to add all kinds of effects and indeed hightech compositing.

But changing a vignette’s layer opacity for example doesn’t really qualify for that I think.

[Steve Rhoden]

You are gonna switch using a software you are familiar with, just
because it interprets blending modes/compositing differently?.
You will run into similar and other issues just like that
using any other editor (NLE)

Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956

[Wouter Wynen]

No not only that 🙂

There are many things I can’t really get used to. Maybe I’m too used to working with adobe products.

Some other stuff:
– no adjustment layers
– strange way of adjusting things in many effects (sliders are way too sensitive and you need to enter values like 0,05 etc manually)
– working with text is a nightmare (left, mid and right align is very strange.
– handling keyframes for events and effects
– I would like as much as possible adjustments like in photoshop or lightroom (shadow/highlight, decent curves, all kinds of other color corrections, blanding modes :)…)

Basically what i really like in vegas is everything what’s going on in the timeline. Splitting clips, creating fades, working with audio, drag and drop stuff etc… And also rendering the final movie is quite easy.

Just trying premiere now, which seems to have evolved a lot since my first try (after which I found vegas).

[John Rofrano]

[wouter wynen] “So when i multiply a 2s event in a 20min video, i have to add white events before and after the 2s to make it work. Also there is no way to lower the opacity for that blended layer. A white pixel at 50% opacity becomes 50% grey in vegas (which would be nogmal with a black layer beneath it, but not within the layer itself, that should be transparant) Does anyone have a workaround for this?”

You could use a nested project. These are just like PreComps in After Effects. If all you need is a 2 second composite, then do that composite in another project and drop that project into your main project for those 2 seconds. You can also lower the transparency at that point because the nested project will act just like any other piece of media (just like precomposing in AE).

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[James Houghtaling]

I may not be fully understanding the effect you want from your description, but did you try achieving the effect you want by using the gradient generated media’s key frames? Leave the track mode to its normal setting and adjust the transparency or gradient size to achieve your effect.

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