Vegas 12 Pro – How to join (Not “group” clips)

[Stephen Mann]

First, there are no clips in Vegas. Everything on the timeline is an event. You can’t join non sequential events. You can move them adjacent to each other, but they are still separate events.

I am not exactly sure what you are trying to do, but I can think of two ways to do this. (There’s always two ways in Vegas). Velocity adjustment should be the last thing you do, so do all your editing at normal speeds. Then save the project as Project A. Open a new Empty Project (Ctrl Shift N) and drag the Project A veg file to the timeline (it’s a nested veg file). Now it acts as one event and you can apply the velocity envelope to the whole thing at once. The alternate is to encode an intermediate file and edit it in a newproject.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
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[John Rofrano]

Yea as Steve said, the solution is to place all of those events in one project and then drop that project (.veg file) into a new project and it will behave as one event. Then do anything to it that you can do to any event. You can still right-click on it and edit it and the changes will be picked up in the main project.

~jr

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[Graham Bernard]

I feel like I’m in the Middle of a Tag Team here . . .

Steve B did you read my response following Roger’s question . . in your Velo Question?

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[Steve Bertone]

Thanks Steve+John. My terminology on this stuff is not always good. Can you nest by highlighting events within a projects selecting something that brings them together as would nesting a veg file?

Here is a little more detail into what im trying to accomplish:

I recorded 2 hrs of material where the camera looked a door. This was a for a 60th bday party. I had it run to film everyone arriving, moving about, and then obviously the surprise. With that material there is a lot of gaps of nothing. I imported the event, stripped out the nothing by splitting and removing. When first guest arrives, I want it to play at normal speed. Once they get greeted I want it to play at 8 times the speed till the next person gets greeted/comes through the door. Then go back to 8 times and continue this till the surprise part. The sped up parts have fast circus type of music playing while the normal parts show the real audio.

So lots of split where maybe its 3 to 4 events/clips of high speed, and then 1-2 clips of normal speed in between. To apply the high speed I am control and dragging to compress fully at 4 times, and then adding velocity at 200%. To bring each event back to the original point in time of where I split it, I need to make each one of these high speed splits its own subclip so I know where to drag the clip to to meet that point.

Nesting as you guys described would not be feasible in the specific case above. If I made all of those edits and then nested, then all my events I wanted at high speed would be mixed with my events I anted at normal speed.

Would moving the normal speed events to another track fix that?

And on another note, I had veg that when I split, all the events became their own subclip so I could add velocity and trim to the loop marker. I never hit create subclip. Now I tried it importing the event in a new veg and each split just acts as the original 2 hr clip where it wont loop until I drag it to the exact end of the original event. Might I have hit something by mistake that made them subclips automatically? That would be ideal in my case. When wouldn’t you want your split clip to be their own sublcips? Sorry a lot of newbie q’s im sure but im getting better…thx

[James Houghtaling]

Maybe I missed part of this conversation… (you have two posts going here)… but why can’t you simply nest the veg with all your clips into another project and use velocity envelope to speed up just the parts you want?

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[John Rofrano]

[Steve Bertone] “Nesting as you guys described would not be feasible in the specific case above. If I made all of those edits and then nested, then all my events I wanted at high speed would be mixed with my events I anted at normal speed.”

The problem with Velocity Envelopes is calculating the event length so that you get the cuts right. You could use VASST TimeWarp on the parts that you want to speed up. Just split on each side of the part you want to speed up and apply TimeWarp to the event and it will speed those parts up to 10000x. Otherwise you will have to calculate this all manually.

~jr

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[James Houghtaling]

Steve, how many events are we talking about? Granted, using velocity envelope on a nested veg would require placing keyframes at the start and end of each change in velocity. If you start at the beginning you would have to work your way down the timeline as the cuts would be moving with each new keyframe.

But you could do the same thing in your original timeline. Turn ripple edit on. Start at the beginning and just ctrl drag each of the fast events to the desired speed. In the time it takes to follow this thread you could be finished… lol… what am I missing?

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Core i7 2.67GHz; Nvidia GTX580, 12 gig RAM Win7 64bit.

My Software:
Vegas Pro V11 with Boris Continuum Complete 8, VASST Ultimate S; Bluff Titler; AE5; PhotoPaint and other stuff.

[John Rofrano]

Actually, now that I think of it you could make subclips out of the areas that you want to speed up. This way the velocity envelopes will not go beyond the end of the subclip. This should much easier to control.

~jr

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[Steve Bertone]

Hi John. That’s exactly what I ended up doing. Made my split on each side of the clip I wanted to speed up, clicked the create subclip option, shrunk it with control and drag, added velocity, and then dragged it in to loop marker. Took a while with all of those normal speed events mixed in but it came out great.

James, the velocity envelope was the issue bc I then had to drag in to hit the desired end point. Control drag alone alone speeds up 4 times. I needed 8 times, which required me to use velocity at 200% on top of the max control and drag. If my goal was to say have someone walking at 8x towards a door and then smoothly switch to normal speed to open the door, and do this with each person out of say 20 that are walking towards the door, then the above is the easiest solution to do this. Hope that example made sense.

[James Houghtaling]

ah, the 4x max ctl drag dilemma… got it. Yeah, so you have to go with the velocity envelope in a nested veg as far as I can see. Should work though.

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My Hardware:
Core i7 2.67GHz; Nvidia GTX580, 12 gig RAM Win7 64bit.

My Software:
Vegas Pro V11 with Boris Continuum Complete 8, VASST Ultimate S; Bluff Titler; AE5; PhotoPaint and other stuff.