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  • Using music by professional artists

    Posted by Judson Larke on March 10, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    I’m not sure if this is the right place to post, so I’m sorry if it isn’t.

    I read somewhere that you can use a certain percentage of any song, royalty free. I think it was 10%. Is there any truth to this, even if the percentage is wrong? If so, how much of a song, be it in percentage, or some other measurement can be used?

    I do own Sony’s Cinescore as an alternative to my problem but it doesn’t have the right music I need for my client.

    I appreciate any help or direction anyone can offer.

    Steve Wargo replied 18 years, 1 month ago 9 Members · 14 Replies
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  • Thaxter Clavemarlton

    March 10, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    [Judson Larke] “I read somewhere that you can use a certain percentage of any song, royalty free. I think it was 10%. Is there any truth to this,”

    Use it for WHAT?

    If you mean as an underscore for another project, then no.

  • Judson Larke

    March 11, 2008 at 12:23 am

    It’s for an intro video to a website. The video is 30 seconds of motion graphics, with the video underneath sound effects etc. I’ve always heard that it breaks copyright rules so I want to make sure I do everything legally.

    So, if it isn’t legal, does anyone have any links to direct me where I can buy the right to use the song?

    Thanks again.

  • Bouncing Account needs new email address

    March 11, 2008 at 12:28 am

    What song?

  • Peter Perry

    March 11, 2008 at 3:33 am

    There are virtually NO recordings in the public domain at this time. If you want to use any recording in any way, you need to negotiate the rights to use the song. You need to find out if the song you want to use is ASCAP or BMI or someone else and contact them, then be prepared to open your wallet.
    Peter

  • Vince Becquiot

    March 11, 2008 at 4:46 am

    Judson,

    The percentage you are referring to would be under fair use, but it is very restrictive and does not apply to the type of project you are working on. That would apply to criticism, parody, news, research, or teaching. I may be forgetting some but you get the idea.

    You could look at SonicFire from smartsound, much better content and more flexible that Sony’s IMO.

    Vince

  • Ty Ford

    March 11, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Hello Peter,

    No songs in public domain? That sounds unimaginable. Can you please elaborate for us?

    Regards,

    Ty Ford

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  • Ray Palmer

    March 11, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    [Judson Larke] ” I read somewhere that you can use a certain percentage of any song, royalty free. I think it was 10%. Is there any truth to this, even if the percentage is wrong? If so, how much of a song, be it in percentage, or some other measurement can be used?

    I had a copyright specialist explain this to me and it stuck.
    Copyright means that you do or do not have the right to “copy” the material.
    There isn’t any 10% rule. She mentioned that if a Judge can recognize the material you used and that it was originally “copyright” protected, then there is a case for a copyright violation.

    Ray Palmer, Engineer
    Salt River Project
    Phoenix, AZ
    602-236-8224 office
    There are three types of people in this world, those that can count and those that can’t.

  • Judson Larke

    March 11, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Thanks guys this is all very helpful. As I mentioned, I have Cinescore… but I’ve just never been happy with it. The music sounds cheesey. I checked out SonicFire… can anyone else vouch for it, or have a better alternative?

  • Vince Becquiot

    March 11, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    I guess I’ll give my honest opinion first. I think it’s great for coporate gigs. It also has some cheesy reels, but some pretty good libraries as well. I also think the level of cusumization is much higher than Sony’s.

    You can also easily preview all of it on their website in flash, unlike Sony’s awkward low bit rate layout, so you can have a feel for yourself. I think Digitaljuice is running a half off special right now.

    The truth is, if if it was great music, it wouldn’t cost you 20 bucks a song in the first place…

    Cheers,

    Vince

  • Peter Perry

    March 12, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Hi Ty,
    There is the rub. I didn’t say SONGS. There are plenty of songs in the public domain. I said recordings.
    I can take a song in the public domain, record it without restriction. That recording, if I copyright it, then will be protected under copyright law and cannot be used without my permission.
    I probably have the exact date wrong, but I think I read that the earliest recordings don’t become public domain until 2048 or something like that. I’ll try and track that article down and repost.
    Peter

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