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URGENT: Quality Horrible when scaling and Rendering (?interlace issue?)
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Was this footage shot on Beta?
Don’t use the Motion Blur in FCP. It sucks.
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I had this issue and it was totally solved by using a freeware called JES Deinterlacer. I was turned on to this product from a post I placed in this forum that sounded a lot like yours.
This product couldn’t be easier to use and every that looks at my video is just “wowed” by the quality. NO MORE jaggies! You can find it here: https://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html. I hope this helps.
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Hi Rosie,
To use a de-interlacer to get rid off your workflow mistakes is not a solution. If you want to end up progressive, start to shoot progressive.
A progressive movie may be not what your client want.Mac OX 10.5.2-FC 6.02-QT 7.4.1
G5 2x2Gh 4GbRAM-BlackMagic Extreme
PMBP 17″Core2Duo 4GbRAM-AJA ioHD
JVC DTV-17″
SONY EX-1 . SONY PD170
..and always a big mess on top of the table. -
In case anyone is interested…
I posted this LINK on some other forums across the net, and so far have come to the conclusion that this issue is a FCP ‘bug’.Feel free to look at the FCP Version 6.0.2 file and captured clip.
https://www.jonesinc.com/tech/
This vehicle running footage was shot on 35mm film and transferred to Beta SP.
We have tried the same tests with film transferred to D5 , Footage shot on Beta SP and also have tried footage on DVCPro. All have the same look.
We just brought the footage to another Suite with FCP version 5 rather than version 6. Also with the same results.I’ll check the filter that Rosie mentions…See if I can locate that (Rosie, for some reason I could not get the link you provided to work…Thanks for the info.)
My goal is to see if: 1) it is something with our captured footage 2) A User error with a FCP setting that needs adjusting, although we’ve tried about every option, I think 3) We are over-analyzing FCP, assuming it can be ‘pushed’ to do things that After Effects, Motion or other graphics/compositing programs are meant to do in its place — although I’d expect it to handle this task of scaling-down footage beyond 60%.
About 8 years ago we ran into a similar issue with AVID where scaled footage was getting degraded and they recommend doing these motion effects in After Effects.
Several versions of Media Composer later could handle these tasks so I’d expect this to work these days. I’d understand how “Motion” would be used as a complementary program for FCP, but in this instance it feels like something is not right. Especially since the quality drops after rendering. -
This is MORE info on concerning the last post — I failed to give all the info on the files within this link:
Here is a link to the FCP Project and 8-Bit Source file.
https://www.jonesinc.com/tech/
Unfortunately the 1.5 seconds of footage is still 46 MEGS as I wanted to maintain the exact same resolution I am working with. Thank you for your patience in downloading.
Also included are 2 files to compare what I am seeing on my system.
One file is the rendered from FCP in a lower field sequence. (FromFCP.mov)
The other is using the same car footage clip in After Effects, scaling and rendering. (FromAEandFCP.mov)My point in showing these 2 files is to display the degrading of the scaling AND shadows in FCP. Processing the clip from AE looks better, as expected HOWEVER, I would think that FCP could do a better job at it than these animated files show.
I can explain more about these 2 clips if this info is too vague…
Have fun with these and again, thanks for the diagnosis on this. I am anxious to see what you all find in this…
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Les,
Try obtaining the download here: https://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/13069
If all else fails, Google “JES Deinterlacer”
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Sorry you are having trouble, may I ask a few questions?
How are you rendering the image? Is your render quality set to “Full”? Make sure the dark green bar is checked in the Sequence>Render menu, re-render your graphic if necessary. When evaluating and taking screen shots, make sure that the Canvas is set at precisely 100% also that you are evaluating the image on a broadcast monitor. Also set the RT pop up menu to Safe with the frame rate and quality settings set to High Quality. You’ve set your graphics on whole even numbers I see. Good.
You’ll find that as an editor, there’s a lot of things to learn about FCP. It’s not Avid, nor can you manhandle as such. Enabling it’s highest possible quality takes some wrangling: especially sequence settings for high quality rendering and RT pop up settings for enabling high quality monitoring, making sure graphics are on whole even numbers, and preparing imported graphics correctly. Having the view menu set properly must also be set the right way.
Lots of things like this get by average FCP editors. Thank God, or I wouldn’t be in business.
Kevin Monahan
fcpworld.com
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Kevin, thanks for this info — I will cross reference your post when I get back to the office in th AM to some follow up tests.
If I remember correctly, I have tried the things in your post; however, not sure of the “View” menu settings you mention. I will check these as well as talk to our veterin FCP editors about a few new developments.
I am shocked they have now stumbled across this before as it was one of the first things I noticed when picking up the program. And yes, I agree, thankfully there are editors that these “anomoles” slip past, giving the success and opportunity for higher-end houses without the larger-budget software. Anyways, I will check that out and post again Monday. -
Les,
Being the skeptical cat I am, I did a test with my own system and same software as you. I set everything to enable high quality and my Canvas at 100%. My comp exhibited the same problem with drop shadows as you. The one applied to a FCP generator was markedly sharper than the scaled image before and after rendering at full quality.Drop shadows never had this problem in the past, so the 6.0.2 update may have broken that feature. I do know that they fixed the default offset in the last update (a long standing feature request) and perhaps it upset a line of code.
It appears you uncovered a bug in my estimation. A repeatable problem with the software. Can anyone else confirm this so Apple will take note of it?
Kevin Monahan
fcpworld.com
Author – Motion Grahpics and Effects in Final Cut Pro -
BTW, I tried various codecs as well including uncompressed, DV50 and ProRes. All provided poor results on drop shadows on imported or captured footage.
Again, my scaled clip looked fine. I think you have field reversal issues or something to do with pulldown. It is a separate issue.
Kevin Monahan
fcpworld.com
Author – Motion Grahpics and Effects in Final Cut Pro
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