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[Lance Bachelder]

You were told wrong about USB 3 – it is full duplex – meaning bi-directional transfers at full speed just like firewire and unlike USB 2 and earlier.

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

[Douglas K. dempsey]

Thanks, Lance. That is good news, especially for the cheap on-the-road set-up, e.g. a MBPr 13″ with FCPX installed, an iPhone or DSLR, or even a little HandyCam … and a cheap USB 3 portable drive, for quick shoot-to-edit-to upload to Vimeo or YouTube..

This is obviously the low-end use of FCPX as discussed often on this forum, and it works well, especially when I take my high school students on location for a quick lesson.

Doug D

[Tony West]

Also just a heads up, the drive I moved the Library to is one of my mac pros internal drives and things are fast and snappy.

I’m thinking from now on I might start all new projects on my internal drives until I upgrade my computer.

I have been cutting my doc on a LaCie fw-800 drive to this point with no problems.

That’s kind of why the G-tech drive threw me.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Douglas K. Dempsey] “Re: USB 3, I was told the one downside was the fact that it’s not full duplex, so while great for a read OR write, less than perfect for constant read/write that happens during editing.”

I’ve always heard that USB is no good either, and USB and Macs up until this point has been a pretty dubious connection. The intel USB3 implementation seems to be pretty good, fast, and different than shitty Apple USB2.

I’ve been testing it with mobile editing on a new laptop, and it does just fine with 1080 to 4k ProRes/XAVC.

[Douglas K. Dempsey] “I am assuming a single FCPX user, external drive with media. Where do you keep projects/events library, relative to original or optimized media?”

I keep certain Libraries on the boot drive (which is the Apple PCIe SSD) and some on the external drive, it really depends on what i need to do.

When I’m at the studio and editing SAN, everything is on the SAN, nothing is on the boot or external as I copy it all back to the SAN (or have a dupe set of media on the SAN and copy the Library and relink).

Jeremy

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Lance Bachelder] “You were told wrong about USB 3 – it is full duplex – meaning bi-directional transfers at full speed just like firewire and unlike USB 2 and earlier.”

Ah ha. Good to know.

[Bret Williams]

Well your internals are sata. Probably 120mb/sec. Fw800 is 70mb/sec. But even so I’m not sure why you were getting beach balling.

[Bill Davis]

[Douglas K. Dempsey] “This is obviously the low-end use of FCPX as discussed often on this forum, and it works well, especially when I take my high school students on location for a quick lesson.”

That’s silly. Sure you can do great “low end” work in X. But you can also do VERY high end work in it as well.

I regularly use my mobile system for pretty high level corporate communications projects and can as easily work with RED and Alexa sources as stuff from an iPhone via X’s kick ass Optimized and Proxy workflows.

I’m heading to LA next weekend for the FCPXWorks tech demos and expect to learn more about how some in Hollywood are migrating to on-set scene logging and digital dailies using FCP-X. I doubt the examples I’ll be watching of X in use on big budget movie sets will be particularly “low end.”

The week after that, I’m backstage at yet anther large professional conference processing HD footage for the iMag systems via FCP-X then giving them the content for delivery to a global audience in near real time via the web.

Not much of the stuff I’m around that X works superbly for seems particularly “low end” to me.

After all, given a great word processor, whether you’re writing a grocery list or a technical white paper is kinda irrelevant.

What matters is first does the word processor work reliably – second and most important – can you write!

YMMV.

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[Bill Davis]

Pure speculation – but 10.1 (and 10.1.1) seem to me to be working just like X always has in a sense.

I load up the new software. There’s a day or two of things being slow and delayed. Then over maybe a week, things start working faster and faster and smoother and smoother.

I wonder if X works with a lot of caching and lookup tables that make the things you do most often – faster – as you do more of them. Kinda like how the web watches your patterns and caches the most visited websites and stuff, making your web browsing snappier when you’re using your frequently visited sites.

It IS a database after all. The ability to move “frequently used data” into higher priority caches seems like a no brainer in a design sense.

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[Douglas K. dempsey]

Gee Bill, you’re feeling defensive today. I am NOT a critic of X and do NOT accuse the app of being suited only for low-end use. I hope everybody uses it and makes the NYU Tisch film school look silly by abandoning FCP.

My point was regarding the use of USB3 portable drives as part of a quick & dirty mobile setup. This has been working for me on my teaching and post-to-vimeo projects, which qualify as “low end” compared to the Red and Alexa workflows you’re talking about.

That doesn’t mean I am dismissing X or relegating it to hobby usage; it just means my example of using USB3 drives is admittedly a light-duty one, and I cannot speak for using those drives for high data rates. I’ve never tried it.

To paraphrase Leslie Nielsen, “Don’t call me silly.” 🙂

Doug D

[Bill Davis]

Doug,

Look, I didn’t write your post, you did.

Here it is in full….

“Thanks, Lance. That is good news, especially for the cheap on-the-road set-up, e.g. a MBPr 13″ with FCPX installed, an iPhone or DSLR, or even a little HandyCam … and a cheap USB 3 portable drive, for quick shoot-to-edit-to upload to Vimeo or YouTube..

This is obviously the low-end use of FCPX as discussed often on this forum, and it works well, especially when I take my high school students on location for a quick lesson.

Doug D”

I think it paints a crystal clear vision of X as a tool.

The word-cloud of your post would include cheap, cheap again, low-end, and high school students – pretty much the space that iMovie still exists to address. You may not “think” about X that way – but you did write about it that way.

And as such, I think it mis-represents FCP-X as a tool pretty seriously in a forum where people come to learn about it. .

I can easily believe that misrepresenting it wasn’t your actual intent. But it was the effect of the actual words you wrote, IMO. And so I tried to correct the record that will live in this thread long after we’ve all forgotten about it.

Simple.

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