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upconverting to 720p30 with MXO2 for FCP…
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Again, why 720p 29.97? There is no deliverable with that frame rate.
Hi Shane,
Just wanted to ask you about that point you made. What if you shot footage at 720p30? You said there is no deliverable with that frame rate. But yet many people shoot at that frame rate on the HVX200.
If my film were going straight to DVD and broadcast, would 720p29.97 to 720p30 not be the correct frame rate to master in? I mean why 720p59.94? I thought all broadcasts in North America are 29.97.
By DVD, I mean Blu-Ray not just only standard DVD, in which case I wouldn’t be bothering with HD to begin with. I am also doing this in order to future proof my work since SD is a fading format with diminishing appeal.
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[Nicholas Natteau] “What if you shot footage at 720p30? You said there is no deliverable with that frame rate. But yet many people shoot at that frame rate on the HVX200. “
The only reason I know to shoot this format is if you are going to output to SD…so that you have the same frame rate. Or for the web or for DVD.
[Nicholas Natteau] “If my film were going straight to DVD and broadcast, would 720p29.97 to 720p30 not be the correct frame rate to master in? I mean why 720p59.94? I thought all broadcasts in North America are 29.97. “
SD and 1080i HD are 29.97. But the 720p deliverable is 59.94. That is how that format exists on tape. Not many networks have a 720p deliverable anymore, however. So what are you delivering that requires you to shoot 720p30? Upconverting to 1080i? Downconverting to SD? Fine then, shoot 720p30.
[Nicholas Natteau] “By DVD, I mean Blu-Ray not just only standard DVD, in which case I wouldn’t be bothering with HD to begin with.”
BluRay is 1080…not 720p So why shoot 720 for BluRay delivery? You cannot cross convert when you output to it as you don’t output via a capture card to it. You’ll have to use Compressor, and that might take more time. But, whatever. Do what you want.
Shane
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[Shane Ross] “The only reason I know to shoot this format is if you are going to output to SD…so that you have the same frame rate. Or for the web or for DVD. “
Sorry to refute you, but this isn’t really right. You can shoot 720pN29.97 just like you can shoot 720pN23.98 and still deliver a 59.94 (720p) or 29.97 (1080/SD) master. There are good and valid reasons to shoot 720p29.97, and it’s not just about the web or DVD. 720p29.97 will play nice in 1080p29.97 project, for example, something 720p23.98 won’t.
[Shane Ross] “BluRay is 1080…not 720p”
Actually, it supports both.
From here on out I will use the whole frame number, but please know I am referencing the fractional frame rate (that is, 30p = 29.97p). Shooting 720p30 is totally a valid workflow. Some do it for aesthetic purposes (some people don’t like the look of 24p and find 30p to be more pleasing (i.e. smoother and less jitter) and some people need to come close to conforming to a 1080p30 project. 720p30 files will drop right in to a 1080p30 project no problem. Sorry if the Varicam reference didn’t make any sense, but the 720p format takes a little understanding, but once you get it, you realize how flexible the format really is. And the true p workflow is great and you can pretty much go anywhere from it.
And 720p when delivered to tape is ALWAYS 59.94 (which is double 29.97). It is really simple to make a 1080 29.97 master from a 720p59.94 timeline/master.
Jeremy
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Fine, refute me. You bring up valid points. Things I haven’t considered before.
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[Shane Ross] “Fine, refute me. “
Nothing personal at all, my man.
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Sorry. That came off as snippy. Wasn’t meant that way. Mean to say I’m fine with being refuted. Your comments make perfect sense.
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Hi Jeremy,
Regarding your suggestion using Compressor to reverse telecine 480i29.97 mini-DV tapes of WWII newsreel footage originally shot at 24p. I got mixed results. So I’m convinced I’m doing something wrong. In the standard video settings window I selected 23.976 for my custom frame rate. In the encoder tab i selected reverse telecine.
On some clips the results were great. But on at least one clip I ended up with choppy playback, not smooth.. I’ll post the clip here within the hour.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Shooting 720p30 is totally a valid workflow”
Hi Jeremy,
Just one question regarding your above statement. Because I am up converting 480i29.97 footage to 720p, should I not select “MXO2 Apple Pro Res 720p29.97” since like that I would stay at the same frame rate? Matrox MXO2 has both a 720p29.97 and a 1080p29.97 up convert setting.
The problems I encountered were when I up converted to 720p59.94. I wound up with twice the number of frames and this slowed down my editing a lot. In FCP, when I was moving one frame at a time, it was taking me twice as long since every second frame was a duplicate of the preceding frame.
Ideally I hoped to be editing in a 720p24 timeline, but with my up converted 720p clips (that were either 59.94 or 29.97), when I ran them through Compressor to change the frame rate to 24p, I got bad results – just a choppy frame rate.
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Please post the clip. Glad you finally gave it a try. Surprising isn’t it?
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