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Unacceptable Gamma shift when uploading to Vimeo from Permiere
Hey everyone,
I am in need of bit of help if that’s ok, I have a deadline approaching in 2 days and although I have finished the work and exported the file from Premiere Pro (CC 2018), when I upload it to Vimeo, the colours wash out completely as if I never applied any colour grading to the footage.
I’ve heard of issues where Quicktime Pro misreads the colour information in the exported source file (as well as when you watch the video via pressing spacebar in Finder on your Mac), but i’ve been a member of Vimeo for a long time and have never noticed such a huge colour shift as this.
My footage looks as it should in premiere, and if I play the exported file (h.264 compression) in VLC afterwards, it still looks fine. There is no problem with VLC.
However, if I press spacebar in finder to preview the video or watch it in quicktime it looks terrible, and the result is exactly the same once the video is uploaded to Vimeo; ie. unuseable?!
Here is the comparison between what I see in Premiere (above) and what I see in Finder/Quicktime and Vimeo (below)
What the hell is going on? How come VLC plays it beautifully and shows the colour graded image?
I am working on a brand new 5k iMac with upgraded RAM, I’ve exported hundreds of videos in exactly the same way on previous machines and never had a problem. It is a brand new iMac, maybe there’s something in my settings on the new machine, or it something in the settings of the new version of Premiere Pro that need to be changed?
I also read somewhere that Vimeo doesn’t offer full colour display to 8-bit footage or something like that, how can that be true? i’m also guessing that it’s not vimeo’s fault, otherwise why does QT and Finder display the incorrect version…
PLEASE HELP!
Many thanks in advance..
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Also another thing:
When I preview the file in Media Encoder via Dynamic Link, the image is also bad.
It seems the only software that will display the image as it looks in premiere is VLC…?!
Thank you
The Road to Patagonia – A two year surfing odyssey – from the top of the world to the bottom
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Unfortunately this is all normal. Different player apps and modules will look different with the same media. Especially Quicktime Player. Your only consistent image will (should) be to an external display using hardware video i/o. Of course, this doesn’t account for how it will look on the web. Do you see the same issues on Vimeo when you view it on different machines, tables, Macs versus PCs, phones, etc?
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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even the browser google chrome shifts my white point. try different browsers. also, try legal range 16-235 or my correction lut I made for youtube/vimeo(export as lut in final ame)
https://f1.creativecow.net/10598/fixmyyoutube -
Are you using the Vimeo presets in Adobe Mefia encoder or setting manually yourself?
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[Matt Hannon] “I am working on a brand new 5k iMac with upgraded RAM, I’ve exported hundreds of videos in exactly the same way on previous machines and never had a problem. It is a brand new iMac, maybe there’s something in my settings on the new machine, or it something in the settings of the new version of Premiere Pro that need to be changed?”
Matt, new iMacs have P3 displays so if you have After Effects [which can be set to display more common color spaces like sRGB] you can paste or import clips from Premiere and then see how to proper match those outputs. Premiere Pro Creative Cloud does not have this ability, unfortunately. You’d have to compensate for this. [or color correct directly in After Effects] Another reference:
https://forums.adobe.com/message/9255446#9255446
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I master to Cineform 10-bit and upload that to Vimeo. No problems. Even Vimeo’s mp4s look good when the source is good. Vimeo takes Cineform and DNxHD/HR as well as Pro Res. You should take advantage of that.
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Hey Christian,
Thanks mate, I discovered that thread after I wrote this one on Creative Cow – weirdly, it seems that no one had any solutions as far as I could see.
I did play around with my display settings on the iMac, and if you watch closely it will fix the misreading of colour in Premiere Pro for about 1 second, which after that Premiere will compensate for the display shift and adjust the colour to of the footage back to the same problematic over-saturated look (which when rendered out, looks flat and ungraded on almost everything else except VLC)..
So I guess I cant grade inside of premiere on Lumetri for now. I’ll give it a try in AE I suppose…
The Road to Patagonia – A two year surfing odyssey – from the top of the world to the bottom
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Thanks for the input Oliver.
I know that an external monitor with a video card would be the best solution, but its just not a practical (or desirable) solution for me – I’d just send my work to a grader before doing that. But for this little project I just wanted to keep things simple, keep the grade to Lumetri only, and in reality this should be achievable without a ext monitor.
Yes the different browsers display things differently, I just checked it out on firefox and it actually oversaturates the image on vimeo with high levels of magenta, which just makes everything more complicated to fix i guess.
I know you cant make it perfect for every device, browser, app etc… I am not hoping to do this. I’ve just never seen a colour shift so dramatically from Premiere to Vimeo before…
The Road to Patagonia – A two year surfing odyssey – from the top of the world to the bottom
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thanks Chris – i’ll check it out.
The Road to Patagonia – A two year surfing odyssey – from the top of the world to the bottom
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manually setting everything, and have tried all the different bit-rate/compression combos…
The Road to Patagonia – A two year surfing odyssey – from the top of the world to the bottom
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