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  • Twixtor with 5D footage

    Posted by Joe Orange on September 28, 2010 at 8:31 am

    I ahve some 5d footage shot at 25fps which I want to slowmo and apparently Twixtor is a good way to go. Only I don’t want any dropped or duplicated frames or any interlacing. Is this possible?

    thanks

    Pierre Jasmin replied 15 years, 6 months ago 5 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Walter Soyka

    September 28, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    This is exactly what Twixtor is for. It’ll calculate new intermediate frames for your slow motion shot, rather than simply duplicating the existing ones. RE:Vision Effects makes a demo available so you can try it out before you buy it.

    After Effects uses optical flow (the same technique used in Twixtor) in the Timewarp effect.

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  • Joe Orange

    September 28, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Thanks for the helpful reply Walter.
    If AE uses the same technique as Twixtor, where does Twixtor come into it’s own?

  • Michael Szalapski

    September 28, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Twixtor does it better and gives you control over it. Most shots with faked slo-mo need to be controlled and AE doesn’t allow that. Try the demo of Twixtor.

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  • Walter Soyka

    September 28, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    [Dave LaRonde] “There is no frame rate conversion software that can work miracles. It depends on how much you want to slow the image down. You may have no other recourse than to shoot at a high frame rate so you can play back at a normal frame rate.”

    I absolutely agree. I’d rather shoot 720p59.94, re-interpret at 23.976 fps (40% of the original speed) and upres to 1080p23.976 than shoot 1080p23.976 and interpolate frames to get the slow-mo. Optical flow can get blobby-looking very easily.

    Walter Soyka
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  • Joe Orange

    September 28, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Thanks guys.
    What I’m trying to do is get the same slowmo effect I got from previously converting 5d footage shot at 30fps to 25fps via CinemaTools.
    Post 5D firmware update my now 25fps footage def needs slowmo-ing.
    Dave, it seems I have to convert these H.264 files into ProRes to get them to convet smoothly in AE?
    and Walter my footage was shot at 1080, what can I do to avoid or minimize any quality issues that I’ll come across?

  • Joe Murphy

    September 28, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    I have used twixtor trial on many occasions. Twixtor is a really powerful plug-in that can easily slow 60fps footage to as little a 3%. Reading a lot in numerous forums its almost as If people give up on twixtor stating, not to expect miracles etc.

    My frustration with twixtor is the fact that there is no clear guide showing you how to neaten gloop / warp areas by applying the inverted matte masks, alternate source and vectors

    59.94fps footage can be slowed down to almost perfect quality if the background is clean. My question / challenge to a member of the revisionsfx team is to demonstrate how to set up twixtor to dismiss a ‘MESSY’ background whilst slowing down the motion of an image in the foreground.

    It is possible, you only have to look at a video on Vimeo called Canon 7d 1000fps, presenting images of a BMX at 15% or lower. Can someone please clearly/ simply demonstrate how to correct gloop areas as the manual states. The cost of twixtor at £350 is a steal, when you consider the cost of the equipment needed to record in super slow motion.

    I can get near perfect slow motion between 3 and 15% % using a SAMSUNG R10 recording at 720p 50fps. With a better DSLR and a few neatening techniques I could demonstrate motion using twixtor that would sell this product over and over again.

    There are simple tutorials with almost every plug-in apart from Twixtor why???

  • Pierre Jasmin

    October 15, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Joe, we do have some video tutorials here on the cow and as well at help.revisionfx.com

    For manual fix-up in Twixtor PRO what we have right now is some “sample projects” and hard to read documentation :).

    Pierre
    RE:Vision Effects

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