Tv frequency doesn’t matter?

[Gareth Randall]

[walter biscardi] “As we deliver programming to both the US and Europe, we have to deal with NTSC to PAL conversion as a regular course of business and yes, the formats are still referred to as PAL and NTSC.”
Seriously? HD formats are referred to as PAL and NTSC?

In my experience working in British TV, the terms “PAL” and “NTSC” are *only* used to describe SD video. I’ve never heard 1080i60 referred to as “NTSC”, nor 1080i50 as “PAL” and I’d never expect to.

[Jason Brown]

This is the root of the question I’m asking…is pal and NTSC only used to reference SD video?

[Tom Wolsky]

It should be, though it is often used to describe a frame rate. You even see it in camera manufacturer specification sheets.

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[Paul Dickin]

Hi
Yes. The labels only apply to standard def (= interlaced) composite video.

On an HD camera or other HD video device/deck, the SD composite-out monitoring socket could also be labeled like this.

[Rafael Amador]

[Jason Brown] “I had someone tell me yesterday from china that all he needed to know was frame rate, 30p or 60i…because I told him NTSC at 30p and he told me that no one uses the language NTSC or pal anymore…just dealing in frame rates.

So while I understand this, because it’s either 50 or 25 OR 60 or 30. Are those the only 2 tv systems out there? Is SECAM dead? What about
NTSC-J?”

The chines guy is fully right and NTSC, PAL and SECAM is what 90% of the world population still watch every night at home.

PAL means “Phase Alternative Line”, but here is not “Phase” to alternate in digital video.
PAL can happens only in analog.

SECAM (PAL broadcasted with the color sequentially) happens something similar. Digital has rendered this technology has just unnecessary.

Pros should get the use to frames rates and pro literature shouldn’t mention PAL or NTSC when talking on HD other than a kind of geographical reference.

BTW, that NTSC, PAL and SECAM will end up disappearing doesn’t means that they are dead. Their heart will beat forever on the Digital HD and in any future video/tv system to come.
If you don’t understand those old-fashioned formats, you’ll be lost forever.
No revolutions since the old B&W Tv. No way to start from scratches.
rafael

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[Ben Holmes]

I still deal with senior production staff every day in broadcast who deal with PAL and NTSC HD all the time. You get bored of saying “1080i50 and 1080i60” – it doesn’t roll off the tongue as well. You and Walter are both right in which case – if you’re dealing with non-technical staff, which includes management and purchasing for equipment too…

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[Scott Sheriff]

[Jason Brown] “This is the root of the question I’m asking…is pal and NTSC only used to reference SD video?”

Technically yes. ATSC is the American digital broadcast standards, NTSC was the SD standards for Audio, Color, B&W and Transmission.

This term has really been ‘genericized’ like xerox. But instead of a brand name, an acronym has become the general term meaning in this case, some type of North American video, or TV format and/or spec. It seems to be context driven, assuming the person your speaking to knows what the context is.
Nine times out of ten, I would say it is a reference to the frame rate if we are speaking of digital media. NTSC=29.97fps.
I’m guessing people use PAL in the same way to mostly indicate 25fps.
But you have to pay attention. There is still a lot of archive material out there that is SD, and even some places where analog and SD xmission is still going either over the air, or cable.

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