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[Lance Bachelder] ” the list of missing and poorly thought features in Premiere is endless and not worth any more of my time “
right yes I see.
this is getting ridiculous.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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“I am very much enjoying the irony in his thread”
Pretty wonderful.
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[Lance Bachelder] “There isn’t a single thing, not one. that Premiere does as well or better than FCPX 10.07”
Third party plugins don’t randomly place green frames in your footage. That’s one thing Premiere does that’s better than FCPX.
Premiere can import an After Effects project and use it like footage without the need to render. That’s a second thing Premiere does that’s better than FCPX.
Premiere has tracks. I see no benefit for the magnetic timeline after using it. It’s about 50/50 for me in doing what I want it to do and it fighting me.
Premiere can freeze a still from footage in a sequence in one monitor window and then you can move the skimmer head to a different point in the sequence to show it in the other monitor. You can’t do this in FCPX, something Premiere also does better. (the Event Viewer that was finally added can only show clips in the Event window, so you can’t color correct one clip in the storyline to another clip in the storyline after grading has been applied).
I can archive an entire project in Premiere by moving just a single folder instead of having to manually wrestle with projects in two different folds if I want to keep everything properly organized. Sure, I can have a RAID archive with “Final Cut Events” and Final Cut Projects”, but then, what projects are in there? I’d have to open up the folders to see. Instead, with the way Premiere works, I can just have the folder properly named and save a list of all the root folders on the archive, thus knowing exactly where each project is, and only needing to copy ONE single folder back to a work drive if I have to redo it. Plus, that old project that was done in CS3? Yep, I can re-open that, no problem. Can’t do that in FCPX.
[Lance Bachelder] “As far as your jazz analogy – I’ve played guitar since I was 10 and love all forms of music – not just jazz – so shut your Phrygian pie hole you elitist prick.”
Sadly, this is pretty much the expected attitude from someone championing FCPX.
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[Lance Bachelder] “Hilarious – you just proved my point – the idiotic way you have to noodle around to find sync. I stand by my statement – it’s garbage and has no business being in the same suite as Photoshop and After effects.”
See, Lance, this is why your statements betray an ironic bent in your need to validate your chosen NLE software from a mega corporation.
Because you follow it up with this:
[Lance Bachelder] “Why should anyone have to “dig deep” to find things that are plane as day in Vegas, FCP7 or Avid.? And yes I do miss sync indicators in FCPX and hope they’re added soon.”
The cognitive dissonance is staggering! (edit: and it’s “plain as day”).
[Lance Bachelder] “the list of missing and poorly thought features in Premiere is endless and not worth any more of my time”
Still no specifics, tisk tisk. Perhaps you have a point, perhaps not. But so far, your biggest argument has been “Premier’s sync indicators aren’t easy to find.” Hey, fair enough. But then FCPX doesn’t have any…at all.
At least Erink Lindahl gave a specific, one that I agree needs to be addressed:
[Erik Lindahl] “Exporting of timelines in PrPro is quite bad compared to FCP (even FCPX from the little experience I have of it). The human interaction before you can actually achieve a batch-export is far from optimal. This could be part of the “more clicks than I’m used to” phenomenon. Why on earth Adobe hasn’t just implemented an AE-like export in PrPro is beyond me.”
But, then again, neither does FCPX without having to go through the “clunky” interface of Compressor, one whose output leaves a lot to be desired (I’m often tasked with churning out the occasional DVD via Encore/Media Encoder for associates who are unhappy with the MPEG2 output of Compressor), and an interface that hasn’t changed since the early ’00s.
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I haven’t done any extensive tests on the area of export from PrPro vs FCPX vs FCP7 but I believe FCPX is far simpler / faster in terms of human interaction than PrPro especially now since you can set up custom outputs in the program quite neatly. It’s not optimal for batch-export but very “nice” for day to day use the times I’ve used it (and since the background process is automatic it’s much nicer than the somewhat daunting GUI PrPro shows us).
That said Compressor is more or less garbage. Lack of features, poor H264 encoder, limited MPEG2 encoder, no WMV-encoder (well AME is just as bad on the last point). AME is getting better and better but again this is an area where Adobe really should improve if their goal is to be a really serious player in the video-market. It’s actually here again a lot of silly human interaction “issues” they could fix quite easily. Batch-chainging how a series of files are interpreted is a lot of point > click > point > click. Here Adobe should look at how for example things are sorted in Episode Pro (give, EP is a buggy nightmare, they have gotten a few things right).
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[Erik Lindahl] “no WMV-encoder (well AME is just as bad on the last point)”
Only on a Mac, where licensing issues prohibit it (you can easily export WMV under AME in Windows) just like you can’t export a ProRes Quicktime under Windows.
[Erik Lindahl] ” Batch-chainging how a series of files are interpreted is a lot of point > click > point > click.”
The easiest fix will allow a right click menu option to export sequences from the Bin, and to select multiple sequences in AME when you open a Premiere project. I would also add that setting default encode and output location settings would alleviate this issue as well.
But I guess Premiere and Adobe don’t get a pass for things they can add “in the future” like Apple and FCPX can?
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Nah, PrPro certainly can improve but I do see FCPX as version 1.0 and Premier as version 6.0 so I get when people complain about CS6 lacking stuff. I also get when people feel FCPX lacks stuff from it’s legacy (version 1-7). I also read “amazing” things about PrPro from I guess CS5 with it’s Mercury Engine and well it’s taken quite a few years for the magic to mature for mass-market. Prior to CS6 video output in conjunction with ME and / or ProRes was, frankly, useless in the program.
In terms of WMV licensing both Episode and Squeeze have sorted this out so I don’t think it would be that hard to fix if Adobe really wanted. I also gather, possibly, they’d loose X $ per OSX license then compared to Windows.
In that regard they should add ProRes support in Windows much like Episode has ProRes support here.
My primary system is still FCP7 but we are going to have to move somewhere soonish. Where, time will tell.
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“As far as your jazz analogy – I’ve played guitar since I was 10 and love all forms of music – not just jazz – so shut your Phrygian pie hole you elitist prick.” – Lance Batchelder
Thanks Lance – you just proved my point – looks as if the Merlot is the only thing you’re really good at. How many years did you earn a living playing music? None, would be my guess…no offense.
Joe Bourke
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[Gary Huff] “[Lance Bachelder] “Why should anyone have to “dig deep” to find things that are plane as day in Vegas, FCP7 or Avid.? And yes I do miss sync indicators in FCPX and hope they’re added soon.”
The cognitive dissonance is staggering! (edit: and it’s “plain as day”).”
Yeah. I have to ask, Lance, because it isn’t clear to me–is this epic parody on your part? Or are you just THAT out of touch with the things you are saying?
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[Lance Bachelder] “the idiotic way you have to noodle around to find sync”
How is opening a panel that shows TC idiotic? How is it noodling around? How can you do that in FCP X?
[Lance Bachelder] “Why should anyone have to “dig deep” to find things that are plane as day in Vegas, FCP7 or Avid.? “
It ain’t digging deep to find out if your TC (and Sync) are listed in this panel as opposed to that panel. I’d say it is equally plain as day; its just another part of the Afternoon.
[Lance Bachelder] “Sync indicators aside, the list of missing and poorly thought features in Premiere is endless and not worth any more of my time – years of being a beta tester proved to me how inept the Premiere team is – I had hoped 6 would be better but it’s not even close…”
I could care less what you think, unless you can be a useful part of the conversation. Which you are currently not being. The hypocrisy of your one example is stunning.
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